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Worldwide Campaign to stop the Abuse and Torture of Mind Control/DEWs

Control technology and the proliferation of brain civilized society back

脑控技术泛滥与社会文明的倒退
(Control technology and the proliferation of brain civilized society back)

BEN

(ONE)

一个社会有序的条件:社会经济发展、良好的道德不平、法律得到公正执行、对各种文化的尊重、激发人的奋斗与对社会的贡献等。
The conditions for an orderly society: social and economic development, good moral injustice, just the implementation of the law, respect for different cultures to inspire the people and strive to contribute to society and so on.。

有的国家由于用脑控技术对普通的合法公民进行控制(迫害),最终导至这个国家的人民天天为人权而呼吁。希望这个世界上,有正义者(主持公正者)能推动这些国家的政府,让他们对受害者重视,希望他们立即采取措施进行彻底解决人权受严重侵害者的人身自由。
Some countries because of the brain control technology used on the ordinary citizens of legitimate control (persecution), eventually lead to the people of this country every day for human rights called for. I hope this world, there is justice those (who presided over the fair) to promote the governments of these countries so that they attached great importance to the victims and hope that they take immediate measures to solve the serious violations of human rights by the personal freedom.

At present, the situation of the victims are to survive under the poverty line.
The most painful is that they co-exist: to be deprived of the right reading; have been deprived of the right to work; have been deprived of the right in good health; have been deprived of normal contacts with the right people; be deprived of the enjoyment of the right to enjoy life ; also denied the right to normal sleep; even limited political rights. There is also a lot of victims of hunger by \ poverty, loss of ability to live independently.
目前,受害者的状况都是生存在贫困线上下。
最痛心疾首的是,他们共同存在:被剥夺了读书的权利;被剥夺了正常工作的权利;被剥夺了身体健康的权利;被剥夺了正常与人交往的权利;被剥夺了享受生活乐趣的权利;也被剥夺了正常睡眠的权利;甚至政治权利也受限。也有很多受害者遭到饥饿\贫困,失去独立生活的能力。
从已经存在的受害者在生存环境中的悲惨情况,我们进行理性分析得出实质是:在现实生活中,社会广泛存在的是分裂人群、分裂社会、分裂家庭制度直至分裂人类社会特点。这类隐蔽技术掌握和使用,已经构成危害普通公民脑思维安全和正常社会生活的巨大危险和威胁。它在彻底的伤害和侵占对人的隐私权、私人空间和任何合理的知识、商业及国家秘密,并产生侵害和威胁公共安全问题对不特定多数人。该技术的泛滥使一个社会任何关于尊重保障个人隐私、商业和技术秘密、国家秘密的法律法规和社会道德形同虚,.损坏的是整个人类社会合理的生存法则.!
Already exist in the living environment of the victims of the tragic situation in our rational analysis of the substance is: In real life, the existence of community groups are split, to split the community, to split up the family system characteristic of human society split. Such covert technology to master and use have been hazardous to the safety of ordinary citizens and normal brain thinking of the great social life and the threat of dangerous. It hurt and at the complete occupation of the person's privacy, personal space and any reasonable knowledge of commercial and state secrets, and generate a threat to public safety violations and the specific problem of the majority of people do not. The spread of the technology of a society in any respect regarding the protection of personal privacy, commercial and technical secrets, state secrets laws and regulations and social morality is tantamount to virtual,. Damaged the whole of human society are reasonable rules of survival.!

受害者的健康状况牵挂许许多多人的心,它成了亲人、家人、朋友、同学等时常处于担忧中。他们常是在常人以病态眼光中度日。社会地位受严重歧视,这种技术本身对合法公民是一种侮辱与歧视,是对约定俗成的人格尊严的歧视。完全是在解脱剥离法律的人格权。是对现代文明的严重挑战。
Concerned about the health status of the victims of many people's hearts, it has become loved ones, family members, friends, classmates, etc. are often of concern. They often are in the eyes of ordinary people to live in sick. The social status of serious discrimination, the technology itself is an insult to legal citizens and discrimination is a common human dignity of discrimination. Free spin-off is at the right to legal personality. Is a serious challenge to modern civilization.


他们生存在家人也不可理解中。受害者受技术迫害后,家人都是以有病掩饰,以求他人可以理解,不要随意攻击,让他们能安静生存。同时,他们只好相信医生,技术侵害是病源缺少认识。问题关键是解决技术侵害,那么他们就会健康。他们的家庭人员把心理负担与技术的折磨当成病治。结果就是倾家荡产也无法治疗。并且他们还被真治出病。各种药物的副作用,在不觉中侵蚀他们的肌体,并且让他们的环境更为恶化,他们还要承受莫须有的异样眼光。我想,他们的亲人稍微有点常识的话,还是要以科学的态度,树立他们有追求、有奋斗有怎样充实的信心,不要局限周围人们走过的轨迹,走在逆境中的前人走过的路,让社会有理性认识,让他们以平等的态度对待他们。这需要学者、社会学家与政府共同的认识现帮助,挽救他们本人以及他们千千万万的亲人和朋友的悲伤,让他们有一个心灵的安慰。
They are not understandable in the survival of family members. Victims of persecution by the technology, the family members are sick to cover up, so others can understand, not to arbitrarily attack quiet so that they can survive. At the same time, they had no choice but to trust the doctor, technical violations are lack of awareness of the source. The key is to solve the technical problem against, then they will be healthy. Families put their psychological burden on staff and technology governance torture as a disease. Result is that the treatment can not go bankrupt. And they are really rule out the disease. Side effects of various drugs, a long time after the erosion of their drugs on the body, and allow them to more deterioration of the environment, they also have to face trumped-up of abnormal vision. I think that their loved ones, then a little bit of common sense, or want to adopt a scientific attitude, and foster the pursuit of them, there is struggle there is confidence in how to enrich, not to the limitations of people walked around the track, going in the face of adversity through the predecessors of road, so that there is rational society to enable them to treat them equal. This requires academics, sociologists and government help is a common understanding, to save themselves and their loved ones and friends of hundreds of thousands of grief, so that they have a heart to comfort.

上面这些分析是受害者的悲惨在现实中。
Analysis of the above are the victims of the tragic in reality.
那么现实中的民众是怎样的呢?
Well, people in real life, how are we doing?
当一个公民受脑控技术侵害后,他们的的各种信息与隐私受到非法的广播时,他们就处于悲惨的境况。社会中的人会攻击、打击、骚扰、威胁他们。人生没有趣味。他们的奋斗、努力、向更高的目标前进时会受到到人为的打击、压制。当受害者和相关人员消沉了,一些社会上的人渣才会让他们能喘息,让他们安宁一点。

When a citizens against brain control technology, their range of information and privacy by broadcasting illegal, they are in miserable situation.。Human society will attack, attack, harass and threaten them. Life is not fun. Their struggle to advance to a higher goal would be to crack down on man-made, to suppress. When the victims of depression and associated personnel, and on some of the scum of society will allow them to breath, so that they point peace.

一个社会总是复杂的。有各种各样的人。他们会在一定条件下得到暴发。许多人是有目的。他们借机打闹社会。让一个社会处于无序状态,让社会中的人以窃听他人的脑信息与隐私为兴趣,天天活在他人的信息中才感觉充实,他们是一些心理变态者。他们攻击受害者用窃听的隐私。
Always a complex society. There is all kinds of people. They will be at the outbreak under certain conditions. The purpose there is lot of people are. They took the opportunity to rough society. So that a state of disorder of a society, for the people of the brain in order to wiretap information to others for the interest and privacy, every day, living in other people's information only feel full, they are some psychopath. They attack the victim's privacy by eavesdropping.


(Two)

当我们受窃取脑信息时,他们就已是犯罪!我们时常处于生命的危险状态!我们长年累月在惊恐中度日,还累及更从亲朋好友等也处于不安定,以为真在出事的精神折磨中!他们长年累月非法窃取脑信息并非法广播,让我们有价值的信息浮在众人的心中,让我们处处受恐惧!用一种更为罪恶的方式把公民的个人信息提供给一些邪恶者,把我们的生命置于他们手中,把我们的各种有价信息让同行对我们造成更大损失,我们都在贫困中度日。还有更大的受骚扰、攻击以及造成各种人身权利的丧失与限制,数不胜数!惨境!

When our brain by the theft of information, they already are criminal! From time to time in our lives at risk status! Our years of living in fear, but also involving more from friends and family also are not stable, that really in trouble in the mental torture! The illegal theft of their life-long brain and illegally broadcasting information, let us valuable information floating in the minds of people, let us fear everywhere! With a more evil way to citizens to provide personal information to some evil, and put our lives at their hands, has put us at a variety of information to allow peer-causing greater loss to us, we are in poverty live. Have greater access to harassment, attacks and caused the loss of personal rights and limitations, just to name a few! Dire straits!
公民的生命财产与安全处于危险中。邪恶者用电子精神控制技术对人体折磨-----摧毁他们的健康状态----无论是生理健康还是心理健康。许多受害者受邪恶者折磨每天24小时。从不间断!他们以坚强毅力在悬崖边徘徊。他们被控制情绪……包括快乐、愤怒、恐惧 悲哀 厌恶、羞耻、悔恨、嫉妒、喜欢、同情等都可控制,人体就会出现头疼、头晕、失眠多梦、烦躁激动、食欲减退、血压失常、白血球减少等症状。输入悲观情绪---可以让他们从兴奋中进入忧郁,对世界上一切都没有生气,没有兴趣,生活没有好留恋之感。电磁波在脑中会造成如机器轰轰声或知了叫声,让你难受万千!许多不知情的人以为是病变。这些只有在睡眠时会出现。想象中,假若是用智能电脑控制时,设备工作频率是有有规律的。电磁波伴随次声波发射入人的大脑,对人是一种极大摧残!人的感觉很难受!在思考时,他们可以输入电波压制你的思维,可以暂时性失记忆,当一句话你刚说,你可能再想半天也回想不出,并且能感觉是他们在搞鬼。

The lives and property of citizens and security at risk. From the evil spirit with electronic control technology to human torment ----- destroying their health status,-----whether physical or psychological health. Many of the victims were tortured by the evil every day for 24 hours. From the non-stop !Their strong determination to hover at the cliff edge. They were to control their emotions and ... ... including happiness, anger, fear, sadness disgust, shame, remorse, envy, enjoy, be sympathetic to such control, the body will be a headache, dizziness, insomnia and more dreams, emotional irritability, loss of appetite, blood pressure disorders , to reduce symptoms such as white blood cells。-- Pessimism can enter them into the depression from the excitement of the world are not all angry, are not interested in living there is no better feeling of nostalgia. Electromagnetic waves in the brain can cause the machine such as skirr or cicada calls, so that thousands of you hard! Lot of people thought it was the knowledge of disease. These only occur during sleep. Imagination, if the intelligent computer control are used, the device operating frequency is regular. Times accompanied by acoustic emission of electromagnetic waves into the human brain, and are a great destruction of people! Feel it is very difficult by the people! Consider at the time, they can wave to suppress the importation of thinking you can be a temporary loss of memory, when a word you just said, you probably also want to return can not think of a half-day and can feel they are at the attacks.


(three)

一个社会是复杂的。社会充满各种人物。必然有众多的人会打闹社会,让社会在喧嚣与吵闹中乱秩序。一个社会文明是否进步,关键是这个国家人民在约定俗成的规范中的理解度与尊敬度。有益的人类共同价值,在一个氛围中不能人为破坏,并且人的品格、环境、学识、涵养、良心、人性、道德、对法律的认识、伦理、社会交往、奉献精神、社会责任认识等都是说明对指导自己实践的强度与重视程度。这是从一个人本身所具有的观点出去。一个社会中各式人物的作为可以让一个社会处于混乱中。人类的总体发展是有秩的,这取决于对社会认识,与科学地创造条件,让人类文明向更高层次发展。社会领域是最不可捉摸的。最主要问题是解决条件。我应当是怎样尽可能解决引起祸乱与对秩序井然有害的隐患。但这有时取决于国家上层决策者的思维。他们有许多是损失这方面利益而盲目追求不可能有用的另一方利益,结果是摆设式的。不可一世!
对于脑控技术从发展的本意是用于战争与各国间谍战的。从科学家的本意是有利于造福人类。但我们的科学家没有阻止政治家对人民的滥用。他们在追求价值与经济利益时,没有想办法怎样阻止非法使用。在广泛社会中,人人都想得到这种技术。他们的目的就是用于对他人的控制与奴役。他们完全是一种低级的对公民脑信息窃取,他们不管是用于什么目的,有为信息窃取的,有折磨人取乐的,有用于对他们进行胁迫控制的,有用于报复的,有用于致他人死亡的。。。。。。他们的目的各不相同,但有一点相同,他们在摧毁人类固有的价值观与文明秩序。
A society are complex. Society is full of a variety of characters. Is bound to have a large number of society people will be rough, so that the noise and the noise in the society in order chaos. Whether or not the progress of a civilized society, the key is the people of this country established and accepted norms in the understanding and respect for degrees degrees. Common values of humanity beneficial in an artificial atmosphere should not destroy, and the character of people, the environment, knowledge, virtue, conscience, human, moral, legal knowledge, ethics, social interaction, dedication, understanding of social responsibility are Description of practice to guide their own strength and importance. This is from a person itself go out with the opinion. All kinds of people in a society as a society can in the chaos. The overall human development is orderly, and this depends on social awareness, and science to create the conditions for human civilization to a higher level. Society is the most elusive of the area. The main problem is that the terms of settlement. What should be my cause as far as possible, bringing disasters and chaos with the potential harmful orderly. However, this sometimes depends on the country's top decision-makers thinking. They have many benefits in this area are lost and blind pursuit of the other benefits can not be useful, the result is a display-style. All-powerful!
Control technology for the brain from the development are intended for the spy wars with other countries. From the original intention of the scientists are in favor of the benefit of mankind. However, scientists did not stop U.S. politicians to abuse the people. Their value in the pursuit of economic interests, there was no way to think how to prevent illegal use. In a wide range of society, everyone would like this technology. Their aim is used to control and enslavement of others. They are a low-level information to steal the brain of citizens, whether they are for what purpose, for the theft of information and amusement of the people have suffered, they have used for stress control, there is for retaliation, for there is to death. . . . . . The purpose of their different, but there is a little different, they are inherent in the destruction of human values and civilized order.
一个国家的秩序是建立在道德与法律基础上的。随着社会的发展,法律可以建立道德秩序,把一些有害的引起人民无序的做法以法律的态度高度重视。一个社会稳定的基石在于人民的人权与经济发展,民主的治国方式不带政治权力的重压,而在于人与人发自内心的社会责任,善的、美的、真的追求是社会主流,这才是远大的,是要负责的宣扬他们。这是一个社会环境的良好的条件,它造成人人都是会自觉遵守在良性循环中。
The order of a country are set up in the moral and legal basis. With the development of society, the legal and moral order can be set up, and put some of the harmful practice of disorder caused by the people to attach great importance to the attitude of the law. The cornerstone of a stable society is the people's human rights and economic development, democratic way of governing the country without the weight of political power, but people from the heart of social responsibility, good and beauty, the pursuit of true are the mainstream of society, This is ambitious, yes they want to promote responsible. This is a social environment conducive to the good conditions, it will cause everyone is consciously comply with benign circle.
在有的国家出现道德上的混乱时,由于认识上的偏错,由于始终是权力越过法律,更由于社会制度特点,以权治国,权大于法是有目共睹的,他们没有从根本上找出原因。结果是造价成整个社会道德文明走下坡路。这些国家经过多少年纯思想认识,并且从贫困与落后,从受奴役与封建剥削中走到新兴政治制度。在当时, 人民有中肯认识,认为现有的社会制度是优越的。他们在进行经济建设中,从计划经济向市场经济转变中,官员的认识还在政治认识上,还在以权治国,权力大于一切,在处理国内事物时,常是以权为大。他们也造成多少人间悲愤。可怕的!In some countries moral disorder, recognize because of mistake on the side, because of the power over the law has always been more because of the characteristics of the social system to the right of governing the country, the right is greater than the law are for all to see, they did not identify the root reasons. Cost as a result of the decline of civilization and moral society. After many years in these countries recognize pure thought, and from poverty and backwardness, from slavery and feudal exploitation in the emerging political system go. At that time, there is the point the people recognize that the existing system is a superior society. They are carrying out economic construction, from a planned economy to a market economy, the officials also recognize the political understanding, still to the right of governing the country, power is greater than all, in dealing with domestic matters often are the right of it. They also caused the number of human grief and indignation. Awesome!
经济发展方式不错,但工作中的权力认同大于法。体现在权力结构中的不可理喻。原有的好方法已在消失,人民有苦不知怎么解决。同时法律意识淡薄,社会混乱一些。但说是社会问 题,却没有哪 一级官员会以社会问题上报。他们还在地方争贡献而从没有有什么措施进行改造社会,完全是在损害一些善良人民的生存发展。Economic development, but recognize the power of the work is greater than the law. Reflected in the power structure will not listen to reason. Original method has been good at disappearing, there is the people do not know how to solve hard. At the same time, poor awareness of the law, social chaos some. But the problem is society, but there is no level officials will be reported to social problems. They also contributed to local disputes and what measures have never been to transform society, is the damage at some kind of survival and development of the people.


(four)
在现实环境中,他们的命运是悲惨的。因为一个有知识与有自气的受害者,在一个充满低级趣味和文化层次极低的氛围中。这环境的的有知识水平的人,他们并没有从技术对人的折磨的痛苦,他们只是认为可以满足他们的窃听隐私,让他们可以自由攻击受害者。他们不讲受害者的人品高尚,足以令他们学习,而是怎么对受害者进行打击、胁迫、攻击、刺激、骚扰,他们表现出的作法令众人心寒在一个城市中。是啊,社会环境很重要,这是生存之本对他们来说。这仅仅是从生存方面看问题。但一个公民生活是多方面,人的多方面追求构造社会的丰富多采。
In reality, they are the miserable destiny. Since there is a self-knowledge and there is a victim of gas, at a lower level of fun and cultural atmosphere is extremely low. This environment has the knowledge level of the people, they are not from the technical to the suffering of people tortured, they are only able to satisfy their eavesdropping consider privacy-loving, so that they can freely attack the victim. Integrity is not the victims of their high moral character, enough to make them learn, but how to fight for the victims, threats, attacks, to stimulate, harassment, they are shown to make people act in a town in chilling. Yes ah, the social environment is very important, this is survival for them. This is only the problem from the perspective of survival. However, a civic life are many, many people the pursuit of the rich structure of the society.

其实受害者做任何事情都是非常用心的,他们是非常友好对周围的人。因为技术本身的原因---它是跟踪与传播公民的脑思维,控制人的自由思维。许多受害者受读脑信息与隐私,而且还受广播大范围内。他们受害后,常常是在一些社会人渣攻击他们中生存,他们的心境你们能感受与理解吗?并且是每天一样!可怕!他们喜欢活在受害者的各种隐私中,不能自拔!许多人品低劣者喜欢大声地攻击他们利用他们可以听到受害者的脑信息。这是必然的!社会的复杂性、不可确定性、人品的多样性等必想让他们生存在受攻击中!当民众知道我们是受害害者后,他们非常震惊、气愤。并自发为我们的人权呼吁!要求政府解决!他们更加可恶那些社会中的品格低劣者。当那些人渣借机打闹、攻击、骚扰、胁迫时,他们同样进行据理力争!每天呼吁!正义者谴责恶意攻击、骚扰、胁迫受害者的人。有些国家中,整个社会处于吵闹中。尤其在受害者所在地,天天如同吵架!不进入受害者的环境,你们很难体会的!成了一种社会中可怕的状态!并且冲动整个社会处于无序中!社会道德走下坡,社会文明倒退!人类所有的各种价值体糸几乎崩溃!

In fact, the victims are to do anything very carefully, and they are very friendly people around. Since the reasons for the technology itself --- it is the tracking and dissemination of the brain thinking citizens to control the free thinking people. Many of the victims affected by the brain read information and privacy, but also by the large range of broadcasting. These victims, the society usually are scum in some of them to survive the attack, and their state of mind you can feel and understand? And are the same every day! Terrible! They enjoy living in a variety of privacy of victims, the unable to extricate themselves! Integrity lot of poor who likes to attack them aloud to use their brain to hear information of victims. The complexity of society, not certainty, Integrity of diversity so that they will certainly survive the attack in! When people know that we are victims of victims, they are shocked, angry. And spontaneous for the human rights of appeal to us! Urged the Government to solve! Them to be more hateful character in the society who are poor. When the scum who took the opportunity to rough, attacks, harassment, coercion, they argue the case for same! Called on every day! Justice those who condemn the malicious attacks, harassment, intimidation of victims of people. Some countries, in the noise in the community as a whole. In particular, the location of the victims every day as a row! Do not enter the victim's environment, it is difficult to understand you! Has become a terrible state of society! And impulse disorder in the community as a whole! Moral decline of society, a civilized society back! Value of human body in all the various series of the near collapse!


(Five)
卑鄙无耻的脑控施害者,在用脑控制器残忍的迫害折磨受害者的同时,还对他们进行精神迫害:无中生有的对受害者栽赃陷害.脑控制器伤害的不仅仅是受害者,而是对人类的伤害.如果任其泛滥成灾,人类将没有未来-人人将是电脑人,没有独立的思想.受害者大部分是在校的中学生.大学生.留学生.最小的受害者只有2岁.请救救那些每分每秒被脑控制器残忍虐待的孩子们--他们是妈妈最爱与希望.由于施害者的迫害,他们中间有的已失学、失业.
 脑控制器不仅能接收大脑信息,还能用脑电波的不同波型对人的各个器官,神经及骨头进行残酷的虐待。让你哪疼你哪就疼。主要袭击部位是大脑和心脏。并可向大脑释放噪音,增加大脑,心脏,眼球压力,还能使心脏呼吸困难。使皮肤长疙瘩,脸型发生变化。还可使人大脑死亡,心脏停止跳动。因具备杀人功能,有人管这种设备叫杀人雷达。
Despicable shameless perpetrators brain control, brain control the use of cruel torture victims of persecution, it is also the spirit of persecution against them: for the victims of fabricated frame to frame. Controller is not only the brain injury victim, but harm to humans. If they are allowed to run wild, there will be no human future - everyone will be a computer person, there is no independent thought. Most of the victims are students at schools. University Students. Students. The smallest only 2-year-old victim. Please help those who are brain every minute controller cruel abuse children - they are favorite and hope mother. Perpetrators because of the persecution, some of them have been out of school, unemployment!
Brain controls the brain can not only receive information, but also by brain waves of different wave of people in various organs, nerves and bones into a cruel abuse. Which hurt you so what you on the pain. Attacks are the main parts of the brain and heart. To the brain and the release of noise, increase the brain, heart, eye pressure, but also the heart dyspnea. Long pimple skin, face changing. Can also cause brain death, cardiac arrest. Function due to a murder, it was possession of such a radar device called murder.........
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Comment by ron on April 6, 2009 at 11:02pm
Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'


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REUTERS/Fadi Al-AssaadJournalist Seymour Hersh speaking in Doha at an Al Jazeera forum on the media in 2007.
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National Cremation Headquarters in North Fort Myers Florida on March 25th 2009. Investigate

At a “Great Conversations” event at the University of Minnesota last night, legendary investigative reporter Seymour Hersh may have made a little more news than he intended by talking about new alleged instances of domestic spying by the CIA, and about an ongoing covert military operation that he called an “executive assassination ring.”




Hersh spoke with great confidence about these findings from his current reporting, which he hasn’t written about yet.

In an email exchange afterward, Hersh said that his statements were “an honest response to a question” from the event’s moderator, U of M Political Scientist Larry Jacobs and “not something I wanted to dwell about in public.”

Hersh didn’t take back the statements, which he said arise from reporting he is doing for a book, but that it might be a year or two before he has what he needs on the topic to be “effective...that is, empirical, for even the most skeptical.”

"Geheimes Ruland. Moskau -- Die Zombies der roten Zaren" "Secret Russia. Moscow -- The zombies of the red czars"]

http://www.raven1.net/russvid.htm Russian Scientist Igor Smirnov Describes Russian Psychotronic Technology ZDF German TV Documentary December 22, 1998. When Reagan asked Gorbachev to "Bring down that wall" the worst escaped to the Western world to spread Communism/Fascism. http://www.raven1.net/russvid.htm China and Russia have been ahead of the USA in the torture Industry always. Remember Russia was in Afghanastan for 30 years prior to the USA. The diamond in Afghanastan are the size of softballs and when the hills were being blown diamonds were being mined by US missles and strikes. There are 6 Countries that mine the wealth of Afghanastan. Where is that going? Is the US fighting a war for Communism/Fascism? The USA has no purpose to be in the middle east other that to clear the way for Russia. It is obvious that the USA has been taken over by Russia and that the politicians need to educate themselves as to the degree of influence that is going on and the tricks playes by the Russians to comprimise politicians. They all need to THINK and get a full body MRI to disable their implants.





The evening of great conversation, featuring Walter Mondale and Hersh, moderated by Jacobs and titled “America’s Constitutional Crisis,” looked to be a mostly historical review of events that have tested our Constitution, by a journalist and a high government official who had experience with many of the crises.

And it was mostly historical, and a great conversation, in which Hersh and Mondale talked about the patterns by which presidents seem to get intoxicated by executive power, frustrated by the limitations on that power from Congress and the public, drawn into improper covert actions that exceed their constitutional powers, in the belief that they can get results and will never be found out. Despite a few references to the Founding Fathers, the history was mostly recent, starting with the Vietnam War with much of it arising from the George W. Bush administration, which both men roundly denounced.

At the end of one answer by Hersh about how these things tend to happen, Jacobs asked: “And do they continue to happen to this day?”

Replied Hersh:

“Yuh. After 9/11, I haven’t written about this yet, but the Central Intelligence Agency was very deeply involved in domestic activities against people they thought to be enemies of the state. Without any legal authority for it. They haven’t been called on it yet. That does happen.

"Right now, today, there was a story in the New York Times that if you read it carefully mentioned something known as the Joint Special Operations Command -- JSOC it’s called. It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently. They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. They did not report to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or to Mr. [Robert] Gates, the secretary of defense. They reported directly to him. ...

"Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on. Just today in the Times there was a story that its leaders, a three star admiral named [William H.] McRaven, ordered a stop to it because there were so many collateral deaths.

"Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us.

"It’s complicated because the guys doing it are not murderers, and yet they are committing what we would normally call murder. It’s a very complicated issue. Because they are young men that went into the Special Forces. The Delta Forces you’ve heard about. Navy Seal teams. Highly specialized.

"In many cases, they were the best and the brightest. Really, no exaggerations. Really fine guys that went in to do the kind of necessary jobs that they think you need to do to protect America. And then they find themselves torturing people.

"I’ve had people say to me -- five years ago, I had one say: ‘What do you call it when you interrogate somebody and you leave them bleeding and they don’t get any medical committee and two days later he dies. Is that murder? What happens if I get before a committee?’

"But they’re not gonna get before a committee.”

Hersh, the best-known investigative reporter of his generation, writes about these kinds of issues for The New Yorker. He has written often about JSOC, including, last July that:

“Under the Bush Administration’s interpretation of the law, clandestine military activities, unlike covert C.I.A. operations, do not need to be depicted in a Finding, because the President has a constitutional right to command combat forces in the field without congressional interference.”

(“Finding” refers to a special document that a president must issue, although not make public, to authorize covert CIA actions.)

Here is a tape of the full Mondale-Hersh-Jacobs colloquy, a little over an hour, without the audience Q and A. If you want to look for the Hersh statement quoted above, it’s about at the 7:30 mark.



The rest of the evening was, as expected, full of worry and wisdom and quite a bit of Bush-bashing.

Jacobs walked the two elder statesmen through their experiences of:
The My Lai massacre, which Hersh first revealed publicly and which he last night called “the end of innocence about us and war.”
The Pentagon Papers case, which Mondale called the best example of the “government’s potential for vast public deception.”
Henry Kissinger’s secret dealings, mostly relating to the Vietnam War. (Hersh, who has written volumes about Kissinger, said that he will always believe that whereas ordinary people count sheep to fall asleep, Kissinger “has to count burned and maimed Cambodian babies.”)
The Church Committee investigation of CIA and FBI abuses, in which Mondale played a major role. (He talked about the fact that FBI director J. Edgar Hoover not only spied on Martin Luther King but literally tried to drive him to suicide.)
The Iran Contra scandal. (Hersh said the Reagan administration came to office with a clear goal of finding a way to finance covert actions, such as the funding of the Nicaraguan Contras, without appropriations so that Congress wouldn't know about them. Mondale noted that Reagan had signed a law barring further aid to the Contras, then participated in a scheme to keep the aid flowing. Hersh said that two key veterans of Iran-Contra, Dick Cheney and national security official Elliot Abrams, were reunited in the George W. Bush White House and decided that the key lesson from Iran-Contra was that too many people in the administration knew about it.)
And the Bush-Cheney years. (Said Hersh: “The contempt for Congress in the Bush-Cheney White House was extaordinary.” Said Mondale of his successor, Cheney, and his inner circle: “they ran a government within the government.” Hersh added: “Eight or nine neoconservatives took over our country.” Mondale said that the precedents of abuse of vice presidential power by Cheney would remain "like a loaded pistol that you leave on the dining room table.")

Jacobs pressed both men on the question of whether the frequent abuses of power show that the Constitution fails, because these things keep happening, or whether it works, because these things keep coming to light.

Mondale stuck with the happy answer. “The system has come through again and again,” he said. Presidents always think they will get away with it, but eventually reporters like Hersh bring things to light, the public “starts smelling this stuff,” the courts and the Congress get involved. Presidents “always, in the long run, find out that the system is stronger than they are.”

Hersh seemed more troubled by the repetitions of the pattern. The “beautiful thing about our system” is that eventually we get new leaders, he said. “The evil twosome, Cheney and Bush, left,” Hersh said. But he also said “it’s really amazing to me that we manage to get such bad leadership, so consistently.”

And he added that both the press and the public let down their guard in the aftermath of 9/11.

“The major newspapers joined the [Bush] team,” Hersh said. Top editors passed the message to investigative reporters not to “pick holes” in what Bush was doing. Violations of the Bill of Rights happened in the plain sight of the public. It was not only tolerated, but Bush was re-elected.

And even Mondale admitted that one of his greatest successes, laws reforming the FBI and CIA in the aftermath of the Church Committee, were supposed to fix the problem so that “we would never have these problems again in the lifetime of anyone alive at the time, but of course we did.”

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