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I organize a survey on poll.gangstalkingwiki.com

The goal is to find out what you believe, not what you can prove.

It takes about 40 minutes to complete.

Recently Dr. Lorraine Sheridan published a study which is very negative for targeted individuals. Her study is based on things that targets wrote in 2004-2005 in a free text box in a survey on www.stalkingsurvey.com. She says that gang stalking is delusional in basis, that our claims should not be investigated and that we should be sent to psychiatry. But she doesn't say what targets believe. She just didn't investigate. My survey tries to find out.

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again we see the use of the false dichotomy    "gangstalking" is ether all real ...or a delusional belief ...there not other options !!!!!

my personal belief is somebody/group deliberately targeting you in a very focused way to destabilize you that cause you psychological effects ...that acts as force multipliers  ......once they have pushed you down this hill it has a snowball effect ...of direct/indirect consequences etc ...they just have to now and then keep you rolling downwards etc 

Thanks for the link Cliff.

Deca youre being shady about the idea of gs again (or whatever Tls choose to call it)

What do you mean by "direct/indirect consequences"? And they just have to "now and then" keep you rolling downwards?

Do you mean that Tls cant tell the difference between real stalking and tech assaults? And what sort of tech assaults would you be referring to? Be specific please.

Look if was using thumb screws on you ...it would be real yes ?.......

now if I was half a mile away and targeting you with a Pain ray would that be real ?.......of cause it would …. now if I was stalking you the old fashioned way physically fallowing you around in a car and on foot in would be real ? …..yes ….what if I was using high tech surveillance (see trough the wall RADAR/CCTV/RFID etc and sat at a desk miles away tracking & monitoring you 24/7 ...would that not be real stalking ????

so to me its not an issues weather something real or not but how and why you are experiencing/believing a certain phenomenon and what you can do about it .

Now I guess this is a problem that TI`s get told often that they are delusionally “its in their head “ which is pretty funny in as were is every ones perception of the world around them ? Yes in your head...so what they really saying is when “its in your head” is that there perception its different to Yours ...which is true ….YOU are experiencing different stimuli or reacting to it differently to them

Now in a way that's not unusually people can have wired phobias and allergies ….so its the belief behind what the victim saying that people can't seem to comprehend or believe ..hence why they say gangstalking is false belief and a delusion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.[1] As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception.

Now right of the bat you can see

A) false or incomplete information …..nobody has all the facts to what is happing to TI`s and certainly no victim has as they are unwitting ...next there is plenty of misinformation & disinformation about it

B) Confabulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation Confabulation (verb: confabulate) is a memory disturbance, defined as the production of fabricated, distorted or misinterpreted memories about oneself or the world, without the conscious intention to deceive.[1] Confabulation is distinguished from lying as there is no intent to deceive and the person is unaware the information is false.[2] Although individuals can present blatantly false information, confabulation can also seem to be coherent, internally consistent, and relatively normal.[2] Individuals who confabulate present incorrect memories ranging from "subtle alterations to bizarre fabrications",[3] and are generally very confident about their recollections, despite contradictory evidence.[4] Most known cases of confabulation are symptomatic of brain damage or dementias, such as aneurysm, Alzheimer's disease, or Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome (a common manifestation of thiamine deficiency caused by alcoholism).[5]

I would definitely say TI`s memories are being disturbed and distorted by targeting

  1. I would say “gangstalking” has dogma to it

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma

    Dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.[1] It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself.

D) obviously they are hacking & exploiting the human mind & body

The term illusion refers to a specific form of sensory distortion. Unlike a hallucination, which is a distortion in the absence of a stimulus, an illusion describes a misinterpretation of a true sensation. For example, hearing voices regardless of the environment would be a hallucination, whereas hearing voices in the sound of running water (or other auditory source) would be an illusion.

So V2K would be more of an illusion than a hallucination

E) other effects of perception...again there is a long list of things that effects the perception of the victim sleep deprivation ect.

So saying a TI is delusional is really a cop out , what are they determining this by ? They admitted they not investigated nor do they want to “waste” resources on investigating.....what are THEY basing on TI`s being delusional …there own ability to sense the world via there own eyes and ears ...not specialized equipment and knowledge …also they are judging TI`s based on their own preconceived ideas,beliefs and biases …its sounds impossible ...therefore it is and they are delusional reasoning

so again its not what YOU believe or think YOU know....but what you can actually objectively prove.

next thing is TI`s are experiencing many things ....."gangstalking" is just a belief system/thesis that try`s to explain them that's all  ...and i would personally say yes in the early days it ticks the boxes but later on you start to see flaws in it ....lack of 3rd party support , the amount of people that would need to be involved complex logistics etc..

also you need to separate your experience symptoms,evidence experience away from the belief/thesis of "gangstalking" ...so are YOU trying to prove promote  belief/thesis "gangstalking" or are you trying to understand /expose what is happening to TI`s 

Do you mean that Tls cant tell the difference between real stalking and tech assaults? And what sort of tech assaults would you be referring to? Be specific please.

there no easy answer here is there ....its not black & white ...plus this would vary depending on the victim , situation and how they would be attacked .....plus how would that victim determine what was " real stalking and tech assaults" if they are using their own mind and body to determine this ...then that's going to be down to their ability (knowledge understanding ) believes and basis ...and also I am pretty sure that most TI`s don`t double check and properly investigate with reliable methods to objectively support there assumptions/beliefs/concussions 


again there is no clear line were the real stalking finishes and the tech assaults start ...their is a blurring of the two ...even when there is a clear sensation of electronic assault to the body ..it is normally linked to a belief  say a perp neighbor firing it at you ...so what would you say that was ....proof of electronic assault ? or your neighbor was a perp gangstalker ?  

Dont ask or comment psychiatrists opinion, whole science has been manipulated :), syndroms and disorders. Everything is made to match their existing knowledge and understanding, that to some point has been crafted under influence of some, at first. At second, not many will risk their reputation and chalenge the well established routes of psychology. At last, there havent been a serious number of claims at the right place for investigation, but conflicted and loose claims of short lists, with many nicknames and people that are feared to be contacted. A few thousands persons, signed on one list with full names, adresses and contact informations to be sent publicly at higher authorities is required. A few thousands people could get media attention and interest for investigation. Thats why you need to loose the stalking fear, cia, darpa, fbi, nsa, nasa, or whatever fear that is depreving you from gathering with one idea to find out what is hapening and help yourself. You are all devided in small groups that only support one of idea and chalenge and conflict all other as your enemies. Its a brain project, they are playing your minds on different level. After all the point is not if you believe or not in gangstalking, but how to stop it all together. Other than that it will last to the very end.

@madminster: It wasn't hacked. I confused the files because the file names are based on the IP number, but without the dots. That could cause a name conflict. Now I have changed it so the dots are replaced with dashes.

Thanks for your explanation Deca. I agree there is a "blurring" btw real stalking and tech induced assaults which can appear as stalking and also a failure by a third party to understand either (based on their own experiences) 

l think thats a big problem we have as proving ourselves to be Tls. A third party will almost always base their belief on their own experience of the world and whether or not it "seems" likely

deca said:

Do you mean that Tls cant tell the difference between real stalking and tech assaults? And what sort of tech assaults would you be referring to? Be specific please.

there no easy answer here is there ....its not black & white ...plus this would vary depending on the victim , situation and how they would be attacked .....plus how would that victim determine what was " real stalking and tech assaults" if they are using their own mind and body to determine this ...then that's going to be down to their ability (knowledge understanding ) believes and basis ...and also I am pretty sure that most TI`s don`t double check and properly investigate with reliable methods to objectively support there assumptions/beliefs/concussions 


again there is no clear line were the real stalking finishes and the tech assaults start ...their is a blurring of the two ...even when there is a clear sensation of electronic assault to the body ..it is normally linked to a belief  say a perp neighbor firing it at you ...so what would you say that was ....proof of electronic assault ? or your neighbor was a perp gangstalker ?  

again I don`t like the label term "gangstalking" as I believe its more complex but there is a destabilizing program/phase  against TI`s  

now this is based on normal type of stalking

https://www.stalkingriskprofile.com/victim-support/impact-of-stalki...

Impact of stalking on victims

The victims of stalking have been a rich source of information, contributing not only to our understanding of the experience of protracted harassment, but also our knowledge of stalking in general. Through large-scale community surveys and smaller studies of specific victim groups, we have begun to understand the deleterious and potentially devastating effects of stalking victimisation. Apart from the frequent legal prerequisite of fear, and the possibility of injury due to assault, research has shown that victims suffer a wide range of psychological, physical, occupational, social and general lifestyle effects as a consequence of being stalked. As with so many aspects of stalking, the experience and impact can vary greatly between victims with behaviours that may be considered annoying to one victim can have a shattering effect on another.

What is the impact of stalking on victims?

The impact of stalking may vary according to the victim’s characteristics, past experience, current circumstances, and what they know, or don’t know, about the stalker. How others respond to the victim’s situation, including how the stalking is managed by authorities, can influence the overall effect that the stalking episode has on the victim. Despite the complexities that may vary an individual’s experience and reaction to being stalked, research has demonstrated common patterns of response. Although female victims usually report greater levels of fear, studies have found that males subjected to stalking experience similar symptoms to those reported by their female counterparts.

Although not exhaustive, the following are some of the more common effects that victims of stalking experience:

Effects on mental health

  • Denial, confusion, self-doubt, questioning if what is happening is unreasonable, wondering if they are over-reacting
  • Frustration
  • Guilt, embarrassment, self-blame
  • Apprehension, fear, terror of being alone or that they, others or pets will be harmed.
  • Feeling isolated and helpless to stop the harassment
  • Depression (all symptoms related to depression)
  • Anxiety, panic attacks, agoraphobia (frightened to leave the house, never feeling safe)
  • Difficulty concentrating, attending and remembering things
  • Inability to sleep – nightmares, ruminating
  • Irritability, anger, homicidal thoughts
  • Emotional numbing
  • Symptoms of Post-traumatic Stress disorder e.g. hypervigilance (always on the lookout), flashbacks of frightening incidents, easily startled
  • Insecurity and inability to trust others, problems with intimacy
  • Personality changes due to becoming more suspicious, introverted or aggressive
  • Self-medication alcohol/ drugs or using prescribed medications
  • Suicide thoughts and/or suicide attempts

Effects on physical health

  • Fatigue from difficulty sleeping, being constantly on guard, symptoms of depression
  • Effects of chronic stress including headaches, hypertension
  • Gastrointestinal problems -
  • Fluctuations in weight due to not eating or comfort eating
  • Development or exacerbation of pre-existing conditions e.g. asthma, gastric ulcers and psoriasis.
  • Dizziness
  • Shortness of breath
  • Impact on health of increased use of alcohol, cigarettes or drugs
  • Sexual dysfunction
  • Physical injury due to not concentrating or being under the influence of substances
  • Heart palpitations and sweating

Effects on work and school

  • Deteriorating school/work performance
  • Increased sick leave
  • Leaving job or being sacked
  • Changing career
  • Dropping out of school – poorer education and career opportunities

Effects on social life

  • Insecurity and inability to trust others impacting on current and future relationships and friendships,
  • Problems with physical and emotional intimacy.
  • Avoidance of usual activities e.g., going to the gym, going out.
  • Isolation through trying to protect others , feeling misunderstood or psychological symptoms.
  • Others withdrawing from the victim because they don’t believe the victim, they are unable to cope with the victim’s mental state or as a direct consequence of third-party victimisation.
  • Victim moving to a new area, changing their phone number, name or even their appearance.

Effects on finances

  • Loss of wages due to sick leave, leaving job or changing career.
  • Costs incurred through legal fees.
  • Expense of increasing home and personal security.
  • Cost involved in repairing property damage.
  • Seeking psychological counselling and medical treatment.
  • Cost involved in breaking leases on rented properties.
  • Expense of relocation.

 as you can see normal stalking has a massive psychological impact on a victim 

and hence why I don`t like the word "gangstalking" because what is happening to TI`s is not stalking but a destabilizing program ...but its beneficial for them to make you believe people are stalking you ....instead of realizing  that these people are deliberately and systematically destabilizing you...

clearly you will have a different mind set and reaction when you know they are trying to destabilize you to one that you believe people are stalking you.... thou you may experience very similar things  ...there is a clear difference in purpose and intent.

and that's what you got to cope with just one sodding regular stalker without even starting on the "tech induced assaults" and the tricks,deception,manipulation of the tech

so if they can get you in to a state were you totally believe there is a "gang stalking" you then its going to push you all the way on all the impact and symptoms etc listed above

and this is my point ....sod trying to prove its real or exactly how its done ...what you should do is stabilizes your own situation , find ways to cope and deal with it , find ways to protect yourself, home and possessions  ...ways to gather proper evidences( not pictures of scuffed shoes  you claim some stalker broke in and did .....unless you have some other evidence caching them in the act like CCTV footage)....also this helps as a deterrent ....this is what you should be doing instead of getting frustrated with others not believing you or bickering with our victims about what is real or not  or who and how etc ...

you don`t have to prove "gang stalking" ...but use existing understood laws harassment  intimidation etc  and then learn about the psychological impact and find ways to cope/deal with it

The first sentence seems to indicate that objective proof is necessary, the next three that this is not the priority.

"so again its not what YOU believe or think YOU know....but what you can actually objectively prove."

"Again its the psychological impact on the victim that's important to note ….not weather its real or not …"

"and this is my point ....sod trying to prove its real or exactly how its done ...bickering with our victims about what is real or not  or who and how etc ..."

"you don`t have to prove "gang stalking" ...but use existing understood laws harassment  intimidation etc  and then learn about the psychological impact and find ways to cope/deal with it"

The following appears to be an attempt to create a false dichotomy out of two complementary propositions.

"...so are YOU trying to prove promote  belief/thesis "gangstalking" or are you trying to understand /expose what is happening to TI`s"

Unlike the example alleged in the statement quoted below, the 'thesis versus understand/expose' argument above is itself a legitimate example of an actual false dichotomy. If you are reporting and/or otherwise exposing the reality of gang-stalking, then automatically it is not just a "belief or thesis".  To assume in advance of the facts that gang-stalking does not exist, in order to prove so, while listing on the same page reasons not to bother gathering or analyzing evidence of gang-stalking, is one form of circular reasoning.

Reply by deca yesterday

"again we see the use of the false dichotomy    "gangstalking" is ether all real ...or a delusional belief ...there not other options !!!!!"

The fallacy appears to be erroneously applied, unless anybody can cite an example of someone actually claiming to treat such a logistical ultimatum seriously.  The confusion here seems to center around whether 'real' gang-stalking does or does not exist, which, when put that way, is a much less tenable position to argue. 

The same person also appears to be muddling basic concepts.   The attempt to describe v2k attacks within the framework of textbook definitions of "delusion" (as conveniently exemplified by "voices in running water") presupposes that v2k itself is not real. This also is circular reasoning. People can be mistaken in some cases about the reality of v2k ,or even of gang-stalking, for that matter. But that's no excuse to pretend that these occasional confusions could ever justify denying the entire program.

"For example, hearing voices regardless of the environment would be a hallucination, whereas hearing voices in the sound of running water (or other auditory source) would be an illusion.

"So V2K would be more of an illusion than a hallucination"

The illusion here (from someone who doesn't "like the term gang-stalking") is that 'gang-stalking does not exist', and that 'v2k may be classified with delusions, rather than hallucinations'. Unreal!

right first of all V2K microwave hearing does exist its admitted ....  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect

I get it .....so its not a question of it existing but weather its being used on TI`s  ...something they don`t admit but what TI`s like my self claim

"gangstalking" is different its not admitted and the word was created by victims to describe and explain what they were experiencing ....other victims have call it organized stalking or cause stalking etc 

I personally see it as more of the effects,consequences of being targeted in the society we live in (preconceived ideas,prejudices,discrimination ,stigma etc ) mixed with a orchestrated destabilizing/harassment/intimidation program  ....I just don`t believe these things happen how "gangstalking" says they do ...not that they don`t happen to TI`s

Now I broke down why its was wrong to label TI`s delusional        

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.[1] As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception.

clearly its not a delusion because there is " it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception."

as these things apply to TI`s

ok

Now I was going to say that what “gangstalking” belief does it gets you to externalise everything ...but “gangstalking” is done really for the psychological effect it has on the victim ...so the victim its pointing to all these external threats....but not seeing or trying to protect themselves from the psychological damage it has on them ...but after doing some research Found out that Externalization can be part of ones natural psychological defence mechanism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externalization

In Freudian psychology, externalization is an unconscious defense mechanism by which an individual "projects" his or her own internal characteristics onto the outside world, particularly onto other people.[1] For example, a patient who is overly argumentative might instead perceive others as argumentative and himself as blameless.

Like other defense mechanisms, externalization is a protection against anxiety and is, therefore, part of a healthy, normally functioning mind. However, if taken to excess, it can lead to the development of a neurosis.

So I am think are certain defence mechanisms rolled up along other things that TI`s attribute and throw into a big box labelled “gangstalking” as well? Is this why they are so strongly emotionally attached to it almost cling to it ,very defensive of it and feel vulnerable with out it ?

what I am trying to point out ...if "gangstalking" does not happen as "gangstalking" claims or suggests  then your defensive measures are not going to be effective ...in fact they might make your situation worse

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