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Deca, You keep posting things that either we agree on, or you didnt get when you read it from my post. For instance, I have severasl times said that I realize ICAACT doesnt remove implants, they find signals of something. Form wha I understand they leave the Doctor to identigy the source of the signal as a chip implant ot not. It seems that we agree on this. WE also agree that Bob Boyce had two Verichips in his shoulder. I believe that BOb knew how they got there. No 'perp' would have went through the trouble of implanting a Verichip that only broadcast a signal three feet max.  Honestly, I think the fact that the Verichip doesnt do anything other than send a small amount of information is more important to the discussion than whether he was in a garage or a lab, because the typre of chip it is points to Bob having motive to insert those chips himself, and for whatever reason didnt want anyone to know he had them put there. When I refered to seeing his doctor, I was meaning that James Walbert, who claims to have chips, should go to Bob BOyces Doctor. With nothing having happened to Bobs doctor for doing the surgery, and with the Judge and others who wrote papers for James Walbert not having anything bad happen to them , I would think that should be enough evidence that nothing bad will happen to a doctor for taking out what walbert has in his body. When you think about how many people ICAACT check all over the world, if people really did have implants, there wouold be more than one guy who found the chip himself. Again, I know ICAACT doesnt remove chips, they just find signals, and let the doctor say whether or not its a chip. BUt, I have yet to see evidence of a chip removed by a doctor from a person that had been found by ICAACT. 

I know different countries have different medical practices. In the are of the USA I live in, doctors are fairly liberal. If there wasa actual proof that a person had a implant in their body, most doctors here would take it out for the sake of humanity, regardless of possible threat. And, many doctors would NOT just believe the person didnt know it was there. I mean, unless the person takes a polygraph test to prove they didnt know, then the doctor will think that there are no 'mysterious thugs' put to get anyone because in the doctor's mind, he thinks the guy did it himself. SO, in all reality, for a TI in the more liberal states in the USA would really have no problem having a chip removed, IF there was actual evidence. And most doctors will need more than a signal to go from...Like positive MRI scan, or xrays that show the object. Thats where we will run into problems with the chip idea. There just arent any there. That bring us to ELF waves. Can you see the irony here?? I mean, if you DID have a chip that some perp used to torture you, then you actually got it removed, all the perps would have to do is get a remote ELF waves mind maniulator and your right back into the situation, but this time you cant remove the chip because there isnt any. SO you see? If some perps come along with a chip, a group of perps with a ELF waves BCI, could readthe mind of the guy who has the chip. But, the perps with the chip tech, cannot at will read the mind of the ELF waves TI. They would have to secretly implant that person somehow. With ELF waves, the perps can attack anyone at any time without  needing to implant anything. Withthis reality, why do you think so much attention is put on implants? And hardly ANY attention is being given to ELF waves and other remote non-invasive BCIs. Cherrly WLesh wrote an article that I lost, but will try to find that says, thatthe governement has been covering up non-invasive tech in the form of ELF waves for the last fifty years. THis would explain why this tech is such a secret, when it comes to any unclassified sources developing similar tech, they are manipulated into developing invasive tech. When it comes to TIs, who we all admit are under some degree of mind control, most think they are implanted. The idea that the perps are putting this idea into their mind with a mind control machine would be perfectly plausible. This 'rouse' the government puts up will be great for them when they finally listen to us TIs and investigate. They will examine completely some TIs and will find NOthing. Then they will say, "Well we listened to your chip implant stories and even looked to see if you were right. WEll there are no implants! It is now proven, so TIs you need to take your meds and forget about implants." mean while they will be using ELF waves to continue to torture.

When it comes to me using the word 'fool' I was not referring to BOb, I was directly referring to those who believe ICAACT will tell them that they have chip signals. I am really unconcerned with Bobs resume. Or his equipment. I personally dont see how it applies to anything posted, other than that he found the first chip himself which we both agree on.

I think you will ignore this next statement: ICAACT has scanned thousands of people. Out of ALL those thousands, they havent turned up ONE chip implant. That mathematical equation cant really be ignored, unless you are so mind controlled that you NEED to believe in implants.


deca said:

WEll if Bob Boyce found an implant by himself, in a garage or some shit, then EVERY fool coming from the tents of ICAACT should be bearing Verichips too. Unless of course Bob put BOTH of those vera chips in himself. Thats why NO ONE ELSE FINDS ANY!!

http://pesn.com/2009/11/28/9501591_Bob_Boyce_cancer_by_Verichip/Bob...

Bob Boyce is a famous inventor in the world of ultra-efficient electrolysis and hydroxy research.

so he was just not any old fool ....

also he had lab equipment

A few months ago, while working with an EMF meter on the bench in my lab, I noticed that I was picking up a weak signal. Nothing else was running at the time, so I tried locating the source, and traced it to the lump in my shoulder!

can you David of tomorrow get any facts correct ?

Right I am going to clear a few things up here .....first of all ICAACT is a very small organisation ...i.e a couple of people , that fund most things out of our own pockets , plus we are starting to getting some donations in , but saying that there are some very talented people and we have managed to reach out and put out good information.

because of how we scan and the way present it , non TI`s and professionals take notice and look at the results seriously , this is what we need.

next stop falling for the false dichotomy that it has to be ether "implants" or "non implants"

My personal belief its going to be a mixture/combination of the two 

so If you have an implant that does not mean from time to time you are not going to get zapped by ELF etc

also if you are more or less zapped by ELF/EMF ect does not mean you don't have a basic tracking implant

were this nonsense implant vs non implant debate started I don`t know , but it looks like it's a divide & conquer technique.

also the idea that every TI is target with the exactly same method again is flawed

unfortunately a lot of TI`s  project their "beliefs & theory's" onto every one else 

again any theory needs to be tested 

again in the TI community there a lot of "talk" about doing this or that ......but not many individuals or groups mange to get to a stage  were they actual do and achieve anything productive.....normal they all ended up arguing and bickering ...then accuse each other of being perps and infiltrators etc

so as far a I am concerned  the ICAACT RF scanning is well thought out and its something that is happening , yes it may not cover everything , or solve the problem , but it is happening and so far has had a lot of success of raising  awareness and also make our claims to be taken seriously  ........look around what else is there ?

Yes there is a problem actual getting a suitable surgeon to remove any "foreign body" in the manner so it can be used in court , but people are working on that .

also ask yourself are people actual trying to do something positive and productive and working to end this ...or are they trying to win the false dichotomy debate about implants vs non implants ???

It true they is nothing tangeable but I think the confusion is being caused by Mindcontrol and Microwave equipments because most of us have a very poor memmory and we developed Paronia

bla bla bla...

ICAACT has devised the scanning phases mainly to detect implants .... not because we think this is all done by implants ...not because we unaware of it being possible to do this without implants ...but quite simple we see it as the easiest route into a the court room and winning a case ...simple as

now if you can come up with a way/method to detect a "mind control" signal in the soup of signals we all live in and find a way to prove that particular signal was deliberately targeting/effecting a particular victim then we be all ears ....and probably doing it ...ok

 

Is there anyone looking for a way to detect the correct signal ( in numbers and specifications) and block the freakin thing or you are all just hoping to find an implant and get to the court?

There must be something, they wont make a system that they wont have protection against it, especially when its spreaded on global level, it could be something quite simple.

What do you think a court will do and what court you are talking about? This technology, if available, is super secret, non existant, decades of experimenting, huge amount of $$ and you think they will just stop using it and destroy it? because of a some court? court may work for you and me, not for them...

I have been reading for few months, people are sufering for years, noone has actually done serious measurements or investigation.

Why not gather funds, go in the middle of nowhere, loaded with bunch of spectrum analizers and whatever, and wait, whatever comes, that, need to be jammed or investigated, than go from there.

Also someone have mentioned that icaact is an organization of few people, why not make organization of few thousand people, more funds plus less fear, so nobody gets killed while shooting the sky for a signal :))


If I had enough money, I would perhaps try to detect and analyze the signal eith this kind of software radio:

http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SDR-IQ.html

Deca, I appreciate your post. I understand that ICAACT is doing much more than many other TIS. They have put together something against a powerful foe. But, I do think that considering a few things, like logical deduction, I believe that although there are different technologies out there, the one we need to be most concerned with is non-invasive tech by remote. Think about it again please, If someone HAS developed a non-invasive BCI that uses ELf waves( I use ELF as an example because it fits the 'bill' so to speak) they would be able to tap into ANY ONE'S mind ANYTIME. The result would be that, well you wont find any chips. The perps who use ELF waves, eliminate the need to be in close personal proximity to inject them, or drug them, kidnap them and do brain surgery on them. Then ELF waves assault could be used form the other side of the planet with ANY need for close contact of any sort. THis would make an enemy FAR more powerful than the other.

When it comes to this statement; "so as far a I am concerned  the ICAACT RF scanning is well thought out and its something that is happening , yes it may not cover everything , or solve the problem , but it is happening and so far has had a lot of success of raising  awareness and also make our claims to be taken seriously  ........look around what else is there ?" It is true, that there arent other organizations, and absolutely NONE who focus on the idea of non-invasive tech. Doesnt that set up a flag? If all the people who are mind controlled think its being done by a chip insert, BUT there are none produced , the maybe the idea of it being a chip is planted by the mind control operators. The importance of representing ourselves with accuracy is , again like this; When the governmental authorities say, "Ok Deca, we will look to see if someone has planted a device in you and your people," So they will do an honest and completely thorough search of many TIs. None will have implants! They will still get EH. But, the authorities will say," Look, we looked over all of you with a fine tooth comb and we didnt find anything, not micro, nor, nano. SO, we really think you all need to be on meds, and we have better things to do with our time." All the while we will be tortured by EH. Dont you see that? Please REply Deca. You honestly seem intelligent, and you are actively doing something for us, would you please consider what I say? If we spend ALL our time and our efforts on a wild goose chase that is likely a wild goose chase by government design, that chips are the cause....WEll we will end up being busted and broke with nothing left for the REAL cause of the problem. Now I am not saying there arent more than one technology . I have many times said the opposite, but I do want to focus on the technology that presents TI with the greatest problem

COnsider, If implants were true, Then it seems that the biggest problem is finding doctors, or a doctor if he wanted to be the richest doctor in the world, but , say, In the USA people could go see Bob Boyce's DOctor. Have you ever tried to contact Bob BOyce to see if he would give you the name of the doctor THAT DID do the surgery? Hell, if you could prove to me that you will get BOb BOyces doctor to perform a surgery on an ICAACT person , I will pay $1,000.00 US dollars to make it happen. But, I would require q polygraph test because Im not giving my money to some guy who implants himself with a VErichip(or gets it done at a night club...hey maybe Walbert got his at a nightclub and was just too fucked up to remember!). I would also ask that there would be documentation provided by myself or examined by a unbiased source. I imagine Deca, If you could make something like this happen, you would be a hero! I mean, you should talk to your guys at ICAACT and see if they would get this doctor that boyce went to. He obviously isnt afraid and from experience knows there 'might' be a chip. SO why not do it? Like I said, I would pay. I want to prove something myself. 

I think the government has fooled the greatest hope we have in a organization-ICAACT. WE actually DO have some real good people basically volunteering their time to save the world....and the government has pulled the wool over their eyes. Please, dont let the progress ICAACT has made be lost because of hard headed insistence on an idea that is flawed in so many ways-the chip implant. The numbers prove most are being assaulte by non-invase BCIs. You admit there are those who receive non-invasive menas of torture, , why dont you focus on that 'proof'? If you could find why TIs still get symptoms in your thrid stage Faraday room, you might get some where. You see if MOST waves cant enter the cage, bu t the TI still gets symptoms, the either THe chip is functioning under its own power- which means it would be huge(Like a VErichip) or it would be that the TI is really insane and thus hallucinating the symptoms, or the perps are accessing the brain/body of the TI by waves the Faraday room doesnt stop. DOes this special room block ELF ULF or Vlf Frequencies? If the room isnt rated to stop Hertz below 30, you likely have the reason why TI get symptoms in the room you test them in. ITs likely then ELF waves. And ALL the time and resources ICAACT used, INCLUDING DONATIONS FROM POOR UNFORTUNATE PEOPLE who just want to trust you, Is goinfg to waste.

SO, I understand what you have written. I hope you see there are some questions you have not really addressed, (like why dont you get BOb BOyces doctor)

You question my motive. WEll, I think ALL humans are TIS. I think everyone, INCLUDING MY FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!! are being mind raped by these people. I dont think anyone has implanted anything in my family, but I know that they have at times been influenced by the perps. SO, I have  personally interest in finding the Truth. 

Overall I think my argument holds a LOT of water. I spend my time with PP because others are raped like me. I find comfort in camaraderie. But, I understand that there are few who can think clear enough to 'crunch' ideas like crunching numbers. I have spent some time on a singularity site, and Shit Man, You should see all the topics they talk about. FRom the financial/commercial,/monetary aspect of their agenda, to the psycho-social ramifications. These people are way ahead of where we are, and they dont have the impetus of knowing they are TIS. If SOmeone could put a fire unders their butts(one that wont go out when the government say ,"we proved you wrong there are no chips) then we would gain some real brain power when confronting our problem. Presenting the idea of ANYTHING invasive is so problematic that it falls apart real soon. On the other hand non-invasive tech would explain how ALL humans unaware, are under the control of the enemy.

This si a great idea Martti. I did notice that this device only works at levels to as low as 100 Hertz. THe E:F waves that they may use to manipulate the braiin are from 1-30 Hertz. This test would therefore not be able to decide anything under its 100 Hertz capacity.


 Amazing Frequency coverage of 500Hz to 30 MHz. Usable down to 100 Hz.

Martti Koski said:


If I had enough money, I would perhaps try to detect and analyze the signal eith this kind of software radio:

http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SDR-IQ.html

I have an SDR usb stick that can be bought for around £15 ....freqencey range 25mhz to 1700mhz

I just strated to play around with it....more as a learning tool

this place it probably a good place to get one from
http://www.nooelec.com/store/

Defcon 21 - All Your RFz Are Belong to Me - Hacking the Wireless World with Software Defined Radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuNOD3XWp4A

**** please Note *****

again I don't know if these cheap devices have the capability or range to detect the signals they use on TI (target individuals) , but for the price they are going to be a great educational tool , before spending more money on more expensive specialised equipment , so in that case I think they are interesting to the TI community that want to research this side of things, but again you need to study this and learn to distinguish different types of signals in our environment before jumping to conclusion and making claims.

again I do believe there are people scanning the EM spectrum trying to figure this out....again this is not as simple or as cheap as it sounds .... think the only person I came across that looks like they credible is Roger Tolces

Electronic Harassment Surveillance the Police State -- Private Investigator Roger Tolces 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh0jXrH95TE

but to put the in perspective i think he claimed his military grade spectrum analyser cost around $50,000

plus he has training and years of experiencing in bug sweeping


FULL NAME said:

Is there anyone looking for a way to detect the correct signal ( in numbers and specifications) and block the freakin thing or you are all just hoping to find an implant and get to the court?

There must be something, they wont make a system that they wont have protection against it, especially when its spreaded on global level, it could be something quite simple.

What do you think a court will do and what court you are talking about? This technology, if available, is super secret, non existant, decades of experimenting, huge amount of $$ and you think they will just stop using it and destroy it? because of a some court? court may work for you and me, not for them...

I have been reading for few months, people are sufering for years, noone has actually done serious measurements or investigation.

Why not gather funds, go in the middle of nowhere, loaded with bunch of spectrum analizers and whatever, and wait, whatever comes, that, need to be jammed or investigated, than go from there.

Also someone have mentioned that icaact is an organization of few people, why not make organization of few thousand people, more funds plus less fear, so nobody gets killed while shooting the sky for a signal :))

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