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Below is series of statements taken from H. Michael Sweeney's 'Disinformation Playbook'. I have taken what I feel to be the most relevant assertions and observations, and embedded my own comments and observations to profile the common disinformant; as the full unabridged essay is very long and is not wholly relevant to this forum.

According to the above, some of the most recognizable traits of a Disinformant or 'Cointel Operative' are:

Avoidance: They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

Selectivity: They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well. Side attacks are relatively common though too, where the disinformant will select commentators to attack on a peripheral basis, to help camouflage their strike on a single target.

Coincidental: They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally, perhaps with a new controversial topic, and with no prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular forum involved. They simply appear, and start their activities without delay or interest in the temperament of those around them, or the nature of other discussions.

Anti-Conspiratorial: They often assert a disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who believe legitimate and proven conspiracies, whilst at the same time they often defend outlandish and unverified conspiracies. This is designed to confuse the issue by diverting attention away from real intelligence, and toward counterintelligence, which is no threat to the adversary. If they are not defending or promoting any particular topic, then the chances are they are simply attempting to foster doubt about all material and discussions, although this is far less likely as it nurtures suspicion about their identity.

Artificial Emotion: An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin - an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later - an emotional yo-yo, which betrays their total lack of sincerity in the topic or discussion. For them, it is likely just a job, and so they do it without emotional attachment, although this may not always be the case.

Inconsistent: There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth or discovery deep within. They can make claims of authority on a certain topic, but once they've been shown to be wrong or fraudulent; casually change their position to suit the prevailing consensus. When observed, these traits are highly indicative of a disinformant, as the disinformant is only working toward short term goals of disruption, and is not concerned with integrity or a clean track record.

Some of the key techniques and tactics used by these people; to defame sources of information or opinion, to disrupt the exchange of information, and to contaminate the information itself, are as follows:

Imply Myth or Rumor: Avoid discussing details by describing all assertions, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. If the assertion can in any way be associated with known myth or rumor, use this to your advantage and appeal to popular cynicism by stating that it is 'obviously' such a myth or rumor.

Straw Man: Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent look bad. Either make up an issue that you can imply exists, based on your 'interpretation' of their assertions, and use that to discredit their case, or take the weakest and most insignificant aspect of their argument, amplify its significance into a pivotal issue, and debate them on that. This of course, distracts from core issues, and gives you a better chance of an 'easy win'.

Distract Introduce a new topic altogether, and encourage commentators or observers to focus on this information instead. This can be accurate, partially inaccurate, or wholly inaccurate information, but which is non-threatening to your cause and which is likely to gain more attention through sensation, controversy or curiosity. Mixing a little bit of fact with a lot of fiction is often the most effective method, as this lures people in yet leaves them without any solid intelligence to use. This means spending more time on a non-issue, which is good for avoiding real issues, and may even illicit some long term believers.

Ad-Hominem: This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviants', 'drunks', 'drug addicts' and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues. This can also assist in provoking an emotional response in your opponent, thus putting them on the defensive, where they are more likely to try and prove your personal attacks inaccurate.

Hit & Run: In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works well in making an accusation without having to dignify the response, and avoids getting caught in a direct confrontation over a single issue, which can be risky.

Question Motives: Much like the Ad-Hominem ploy; Twist, amplify or invent any fact which could be taken to suggest that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing real issues and forces the opponent on the defensive, so more time is spent countering these allegations than dealing with the core information.

Invoke Authority: Claim yourself to be, or associate yourself with an authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows'. By simply repeating these assertions with confidence and making frequent references to jargon, you can maintain the veneer of authority without having to deal in specifics for any length of time.

Play Dumb: No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect, and simply repeat over and over so that you appear to hold the stronger position.

Enigma: Drawing upon the multitude of facts and information surrounding the assertion, claim that they are too complex and too complicated to ever come to any reasonable conclusion on. This works best when your position is weakening and it is time to move on: offer the 'truce' of an unsolvable mystery; making you appear more objective, whilst your opponent appears more subjective for trying to push the issue.

Backward Logic: Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual fact. For example: Create a faulty premise which you know will appeal to a popular misconception, and use that 'logic' as the grounds to discredit your opponent's argument to the contrary.

Demand Complete Solutions: Demand a comprehensive and complete explanation of your opponent's premise, and use any unanswered questions or uncertainties as the basis for dismissing the entire argument altogether. This works well in swaying the opinion of others, because you are demonstrating that your opponent does not have all the answers. Thus, their argument is incomplete, and is therefore faulty 'by any reasonable standards'.

Change the Subject: Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here such as 'distract'; find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of swaying attention to a new, more manageable line of discussion, where you can take hold of the narrative.

Antagonize & Provoke: If you can't do anything else, insult and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism' or how 'you've damaged their ego'.

Project: Take all of the tactics you have used to discredit and attack your opponent, and turn it all around by accusing them of using the very same techniques. This creates confusion for the casual observer or commentator, allowing you to go on the offensive, where your opponent is suddenly put on the defensive again, and the argument is reduced to a series of heated yet basic assertions.

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...apsolutely impossible, you wont recognise them and you will be more wrong than right. Searching for "shills" will make you delusional and make you to self isolate, in this case.
The mentioned things above are states and behaviour characteristics of most afected by this issue, are they shills? no.
This will make all devide in groups and attack each others, keep your self busy with arguments and accusations while someone is testing the newest weapon on you, this is exacly what you are not supose to do :


Quote: "Project: Take all of the tactics you have used to discredit and attack your opponent, and turn it all around by accusing them of using the very same techniques. This creates confusion for the casual observer or commentator, allowing you to go on the offensive, where your opponent is suddenly put on the defensive again, and the argument is reduced to a series of heated yet basic assertions."

Sounds so stupid, like high school girls fight. Also writting say to attack them emotionally, do you think thats good idea?

knowledge is power   this lexicon of names for perp behaviours (perplexicon?) puts a 'face' to the otherwise bewildering array of tactics available from recent discussions    it is almost surprising that full name does not 'recognize' quite a few of these 
 
FULL NAME said:

...apsolutely impossible, you wont recognise them and you will be more wrong than right. Searching for "shills" will make you delusional and make you to self isolate, in this case.
FULL NAME I TAKE IT YOU STILL HAVE NOT READ FRANKY'S 'THE DISINFORMATION TRAIN':  YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF IDENTIFYING THEM ONLINE THAN OFF
The mentioned things above are states and behaviour characteristics of most afected by this issue, are they shills? no.
This will make all devide in groups and attack each others, keep your self busy with arguments and accusations while someone is testing the newest weapon on you, this is exacly what you are not supose to do :


Quote: "Project: Take all of the tactics you have used to discredit and attack your opponent, and turn it all around by accusing them of using the very same techniques. This creates confusion for the casual observer or commentator, allowing you to go on the offensive, where your opponent is suddenly put on the defensive again, and the argument is reduced to a series of heated yet basic assertions."

Sounds so stupid, like high school girls fight. Also writting say to attack them emotionally, do you think thats good idea?
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laBrat: 
do you 'really' think that, by quoting a description of these tactics, big lebowski is therefore advocating them?  (egads! - that's more than somewhat 'remedial', if that is the case)
and, was that supposed to be a straw man example of the logistical jiu-jitsu you just failed to apply to the quotation cited above?

apsolutely impossible, you wont recognise them and you will be more wrong than right


Speak for yourself. You may not recognise a shill given clear guidelines, but others might. This forum is heaving with shills.

You're a disgusting human specimen Lebowski! Ths forum is full of people who need help! You labeled a guy a perp earlier, who i happen to know is not a perp! 

YOU,  Lebowski,  are the perp! ! Not because tge enemy has employed you, but because you're bashing fellow members and trying to cause division in our group. 

Big Lebowski said:

apsolutely impossible, you wont recognise them and you will be more wrong than right


Speak for yourself. You may not recognise a shill given clear guidelines, but others might. This forum is heaving with shills.

another 'member' who chooses to ignore franky's 'the disinformation train' - the parting gift of a former member who disclosed too much to a long-time friend' here and paid the price   franky correctly points out that it is impossible to verify whether someone we've only met online is or is not a cointelpro agent  

david-for-today, who exposed himself by needlessly taking issue with franky's argument, must have the roster!   david's penchant for inflicting rape and murdered family threats against various member who do not accept his superior understanding tends to be phrased in identical terms to the nasty cowardly little birdies telling us the same kind of 'positivity'

as the only peacepink with over 25 troll accusations and counting (i have only just discovered someone in 2010 expressing his dismay at the deliberate interference), including most of the qualified professionals in the fields of law, psychology, and science, this faux-manic onslaught is predictable - and doubly 'hysterical' lol!

I'm a perp eh, David? LOL And you, calling me a disgusting human specimen after threatening my family after I refused to support your "mind-reading machine"? Get a life, shill perpo.

Yes, your action of calling others perp because you cant understand them, or dont like their personality, makes you a perp.
And, no i didn't threaten to hurt your family....you need to copy paste tgat . You grossly mirespresent my statement that I went through such horrors and compaired that experience to yours. The fact that you know how to copy paste, but do not do so in this instance (with context) shows that you are using this as a slander tool. Yet another fruitage of perphood.
My mind reading machine????? Have you been reading others posts?? The majority of members on peacepink know there is a mind read/control machine. It not 'mine' its the enemy's. And its used on all of this.
I must ask (and i predict that you don't have the guts to answer) what do you think those members who know that there is a mind control/read machine are truly experiencing if it not having their mind read and controlled? How do you explain all our experiences?

Big Lebowski said:

I'm a perp eh, David? LOL And you, calling me a disgusting human specimen after threatening my family after I refused to support your "mind-reading machine"? Get a life, shill perpo.

david-for-today seems to have forgotten a couple of crucial details here while contradicting his own lies: 

"lebowski you are a liar...when I talked of being locked in a cell and having family threatened with death, it was a situation that I was put through. I brought it up t in comparison with your own experience.  the idea that it is a threat to Lebowski is a blatant lie..."

i DID copy paste the original howls of denial that he had ever even brought it up in the first place, in no way different from his 'defense' that he only mentioned the possibility of 'jen-eric's' kids being fed to dogs while her parents are murdered and she is anally raped while her guts hang down and pencils poke her to death - all while she's 'imagining real g-s' - NOT to threaten her, but to convince her that these more real threats 'from his own experience' need her attention more 

this is exactly why we're waiting over half a year for the 'hospital report' where he one-upmanship's a sexual assault victim with his 'rnm rape experience' to PROVE her g-s attack was not real!   that is a considerably broad range of coincidentally matching experiences to 'not' threaten members with, isn't it?

david-for-today stupidly forgot taunting us about not having the main room lebowski family murder threats copied, then months later forgot about that with this familiar 'explanation' for why he did what 'we can't prove he did' - unless he wants to explain why his (copy/pasted) shotgun lobotomy, anal rape and torture threats to me were examples of his own unlimited experiences?  did somebody threaten you with a shotgun lobotomy, troll?  how silly!   tell us MORE lies now - show us duncan's 'doctorate' ha ha!

                                   "Yet another fruitage of perphood"?! OMG get real!


Coly paste in context. It us very very telling tbat you two are The Only member s who are taking tgese statement out of context. 

The ironic thing is when you show the actual context, it clearly shows that these were my experiences and they were being compared to yours, which pale in comparison. This is most likely why you use this slander tool,  by intenintentionally leaving out the context when copy pasting. 

And, it is quite clear tgat you use the word Jen-eric as a means of degrading the member wjo asked you not to use her name in reference to this slander. This particular TI is anything but Generic, shes a very positive person who is quite successful in life.


LaBrat said:

david-for-today seems to have forgotten a couple of crucial details here while contradicting his own lies: 

"lebowski you are a liar...when I talked of being locked in a cell and having family threatened with death, it was a situation that I was put through. I brought it up t in comparison with your own experience.  the idea that it is a threat to Lebowski is a blatant lie..."

i DID copy paste the original howls of denial that he had ever even brought it up in the first place, in no way different from his 'defense' that he only mentioned the possibility of 'jen-eric's' kids being fed to dogs while her parents are murdered and she is anally raped while her guts hang down and pencils poke her to death - all while she's 'imagining real g-s' - NOT to threaten her, but to convince her that these more real threats 'from his own experience' need her attention more

this is exactly why we're waiting over half a year for the 'hospital report' where he one-upmanship's a sexual assault victim with his 'rnm rape experience' to PROVE her g-s attack was not real!   that is a considerably broad range of coincidentally matching experiences to 'not' threaten members with, isn't it?

david-for-today stupidly forgot taunting us about not having the main room lebowski family murder threats copied, then months later forgot about that with this familiar 'explanation' for why he did what 'we can't prove he did' - unless he wants to explain why his (copy/pasted) shotgun lobotomy, anal rape and torture threats to me were examples of his own unlimited experiences?  did somebody threaten you with a shotgun lobotomy, troll?  how silly!   tell us MORE lies now - show us duncan's 'doctorate' ha ha!

                Comment by JustMeKaren on September 2, 2014 at 7:44am

I never said that Paul... I said I did believe many times that I was gangs talked and I wasn't. However there are times I catch the wrong person or incident and they let me know by having the camera card be eaten by my dog (he has never eaten anything in my house since getting him). I don't go around camera in hand either and recently I've let most go but I'm not that single minded either to know that they have used that method on me and others. I'm learning to live, not call out others, condem others or be a victim .. I'm just here to learn and share what I can and understand more everyday
Comment by David ofTomorrow on September 2, 2014 at 8:08am

Well, honestly, I have a Boa and he only eats mice, so....
But no, seriously, I know we all experience different things. But, I think there are general areas where things will revolve around things like....if WE can control one thousand people into thinking they are followed, instead of hiring six thousand people to stalk the one thousand people, then we would be far, far ahead.
You see they think this way. In how to control ten million Just Me Karens, all at once. You are just one Karen, so how do you know how they control ten million of you?
The things they do are far advanced. They are becoming gods. It is not too late, but following your followers is chasing your tail.

Comment by JustMeKaren on September 2, 2014 at 8:40am
Paul.. I've continually agreed with you and stated I know I'm not always gang stalked but you continue to push at me.. your friend.. All I've been saying is we cannot discredit other methods or experiences. I also agree the powerful weapon that is controlling our minds is not people on the ground... You have to also understand I've only been aware over a year and when you are in different stages of this program you have to experience and hopefully quickly learn what is happening so you can live the best you can...
Comment by David ofTomorrow on September 2, 2014 at 10:10am

Im not intending to push. And I certainly see you as a friend.  But,  I see things very differently. Not just from you, but from everyone. And....I think that I am right.  Or at least closer to right than others. 

So often I am seen as too far left for most to grasp. 

Comment by LaBrat on September 2, 2014 at 11:00am
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you're not hard to follow at all   karen doesn't have to be able to "read their minds" to know what's on a perp's mind when he's making a specific gesture to show her she'd being targeted    that is a false dichotomy   even your apparent inability to "grasp" the reality real targets face, DOESN'T come from your far superior mind which you claim is why your 'handlers' leave you alone (remember telling us there's no one here capable of appreciating you?  you want to "walk around the lake with godel - is it all coming back to you yet?)    it doesn't even just come from the fact that you are not evern a target and have no idea what it's like (which your consistent disagreement and lack of empathy demonstrates well enough)   trolls are committed to preventing us from addressing the g-s problem   she tried your 'advice' ("ignore it and it'll go away) and it got worse - are we to believe you didn't see that when you just continued your 'corrections' and ignoring her telling you this?   you claim to "know" we all experience things differently, then proceed to explain why it's more efficient for 'them' to process us identically (remotely, to "ten million karens') as if we're helpless interchangeable puppets of the almighty machine   lip service, followed by "but"   if you "think differently" from all of us and still think you are right, you are very arrogantly insisting that we are all wrong   this is clearly intended to repress our sharing and learning from each other how to cope with genuine g-s experiences but it is still not working   the reason deca outed you as a troll is because you are just too obvious   why don't you turn around and tell karen she just might possibly, by some outside miracle of sheer chance, be right about her observations, without 'critiquing' her (and everybody who doesn't agree that they're wrong)?    CAN you do this?

Comment by David ofTomorrow on September 2, 2014 at 4:59pm

When Karen, or anyone else that has to worry about something a little more distressing than how many people are in her aisle at the supermarket, like if her children are being fed to dogs while she is being kept in a cell....or if her parents are being murdered while trying to save you. Or if you are going to be raped from behind while your guts are being cut out to hang down in front of you then peciks are poked into your body until you die.
Being made to do various types of tricks for days on end with the promise of release, but never any relief.
I have been raped sexually by groups of men with this machine. I have had years of chronic pain to my testicles caused to make them feel powerful.
When it comes to things like how many people are in your aisle at the store, or whose peeking around a pole, it might simply be easier to deal with than worrying about your kid being eaten by dogs.
And when it comes to this idea that we ard all just experiencing different things, it is true that this is sometimes the cade. When it is the case it's for a reason. And figuring out how things like seemingly competing technologies would be used together, or against each other might tell us much. If there really are implants being used, how does this factor play into noninvasive tech also being used? If they are being used by opossing agencies, is one agency dominant over the other and what does that mean for us?
The fact that we all have family members that aren't being tortured proves that the psychology of the enemy includes more than just being psychotic. 
 

(laBrat)   you've gotta love the plea for understanding for the poor perps who aren't really so 'psychpathic'

(as some members appear to be ;-)

david-for-toady when i asked you whether you asked thepropector for her permission to copy her conversation with me on to your ti's journal (hi heikki!), you replied that it is open chat   the propectoer has already recognized you as a troll (a quick study, she used the term "fishy" after her first encounter her - with you)   so how is using this example any different?   it's not   this is a hypocritical attempt to hide truth behind someone's skirt 

as for "the only members taking something out of context' readers are referred to carrin's sasquatch blog, where he tries to accuse her of lying and gets caught out like a naughty  child 

Reply by JustMeKaren on September 19, 2014 at 4:36am
I did not.. Please don't bring me into the perp bashing.... I really don't want to be a part of any of that. I would never call anyone a perp .. We all could be perps if all it takes is to disagree with one another.. We really should use caution when throwing around the perp title. Some requests by Karen for You LaBrat to stop bashing, and stop bringing her into the dog/kids slander.
It is appearant that you have absolutely no respect for this woman, as you are continuing both.

Comment by JustMeKaren on September 17, 2014 at 1:47am
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I agree and did discuss with Paul. Having different perspectives when we are all mind controlled and manipulated is a good thing. I am the first one to admit I am never always right.. Far from. It. We are all here to learn and grow. If everyone would take the same effort and time to support and help each other as they do trying to strip down stories and each other we would be farther along as a group. To me if you don't agree with someone's perspective that is fine, state clear reasons and your perspective but it can be done with class and integrity and build up this community not tear it down. Right now it just looks like infighting amongst the conspiracy theorists or whatever you want to name us... Doesn't look good to anyone and turns me off from this site completely.. I have to dig for good articles because I refuse to read all the negative banter!

http://peacepink.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2351430%3ABlogPost%...

Comment by JustMeKaren on September 3, 2014 at 11:05pm
Can I please ask that this stop. I am surprised the monitors haven't stopped by now. This is taking so much energy and time from you both .. You really need to let go and ignore each other if you can't be civil. We know this site is filled with 95% trolls.. We all have to figure out who they are.. We don't need all these garbage posts to help us determine, we can decide on our own.. You are wasting your valuable time and space on here.. So I ask please stop for your peace and energy and ours.

Comment by LaBrat on September 3, 2014 at 11:06pm
(did that clown REALLY challenge me to "guess its sex" after insensitively responding to one member's 'daily journal' report of anal discomfort with murmurs about vibrations in his (or her?) PENIS?! i'd guess 'man' - but a MAN would have responded to my challenge to back up his cowardly death threats lol! maybe when i come back tomorrow instead of changing the subject AGAIN he'll grow a pair - bets?

Comment by JustMeKaren on September 3, 2014 at 11:12pm
You aren't being rational with these threads and it's not productive for either of you.. That leads me to believe that they are influencing you both to waste your time on this nonsense

Thank you. Thats more like it. Its clear to anyone who can read that there is no threat here. Just emotional comparisons of differing experiences. Like the Incredible Woman said to you;
"To me if you don't agree with someone's perspective that is fine, state clear reasons and your perspective but it can be done with class and integrity and build up this community not tear it down."

LaBrat, you have no 'class, and no 'integrity'. You cant even respect the Incredible Woman enough to not use her in bashing others. You....are a creep.


LaBrat said:

                Comment by JustMeKaren on September 2, 2014 at 7:44am

I never said that Paul... I said I did believe many times that I was gangs talked and I wasn't. However there are times I catch the wrong person or incident and they let me know by having the camera card be eaten by my dog (he has never eaten anything in my house since getting him). I don't go around camera in hand either and recently I've let most go but I'm not that single minded either to know that they have used that method on me and others. I'm learning to live, not call out others, condem others or be a victim .. I'm just here to learn and share what I can and understand more everyday
Comment by David ofTomorrow on September 2, 2014 at 8:08am

Well, honestly, I have a Boa and he only eats mice, so....
But no, seriously, I know we all experience different things. But, I think there are general areas where things will revolve around things like....if WE can control one thousand people into thinking they are followed, instead of hiring six thousand people to stalk the one thousand people, then we would be far, far ahead.
You see they think this way. In how to control ten million Just Me Karens, all at once. You are just one Karen, so how do you know how they control ten million of you?
The things they do are far advanced. They are becoming gods. It is not too late, but following your followers is chasing your tail.

Comment by JustMeKaren on September 2, 2014 at 8:40am
Paul.. I've continually agreed with you and stated I know I'm not always gang stalked but you continue to push at me.. your friend.. All I've been saying is we cannot discredit other methods or experiences. I also agree the powerful weapon that is controlling our minds is not people on the ground... You have to also understand I've only been aware over a year and when you are in different stages of this program you have to experience and hopefully quickly learn what is happening so you can live the best you can...
Comment by David ofTomorrow on September 2, 2014 at 10:10am

Im not intending to push. And I certainly see you as a friend.  But,  I see things very differently. Not just from you, but from everyone. And....I think that I am right.  Or at least closer to right than others. 

So often I am seen as too far left for most to grasp. 

Comment by LaBrat on September 2, 2014 at 11:00am
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you're not hard to follow at all   karen doesn't have to be able to "read their minds" to know what's on a perp's mind when he's making a specific gesture to show her she'd being targeted    that is a false dichotomy   even your apparent inability to "grasp" the reality real targets face, DOESN'T come from your far superior mind which you claim is why your 'handlers' leave you alone (remember telling us there's no one here capable of appreciating you?  you want to "walk around the lake with godel - is it all coming back to you yet?)    it doesn't even just come from the fact that you are not evern a target and have no idea what it's like (which your consistent disagreement and lack of empathy demonstrates well enough)   trolls are committed to preventing us from addressing the g-s problem   she tried your 'advice' ("ignore it and it'll go away) and it got worse - are we to believe you didn't see that when you just continued your 'corrections' and ignoring her telling you this?   you claim to "know" we all experience things differently, then proceed to explain why it's more efficient for 'them' to process us identically (remotely, to "ten million karens') as if we're helpless interchangeable puppets of the almighty machine   lip service, followed by "but"   if you "think differently" from all of us and still think you are right, you are very arrogantly insisting that we are all wrong   this is clearly intended to repress our sharing and learning from each other how to cope with genuine g-s experiences but it is still not working   the reason deca outed you as a troll is because you are just too obvious   why don't you turn around and tell karen she just might possibly, by some outside miracle of sheer chance, be right about her observations, without 'critiquing' her (and everybody who doesn't agree that they're wrong)?    CAN you do this?

Comment by David ofTomorrow on September 2, 2014 at 4:59pm

When Karen, or anyone else that has to worry about something a little more distressing than how many people are in her aisle at the supermarket, like if her children are being fed to dogs while she is being kept in a cell....or if her parents are being murdered while trying to save you. Or if you are going to be raped from behind while your guts are being cut out to hang down in front of you then peciks are poked into your body until you die.
Being made to do various types of tricks for days on end with the promise of release, but never any relief.
I have been raped sexually by groups of men with this machine. I have had years of chronic pain to my testicles caused to make them feel powerful.
When it comes to things like how many people are in your aisle at the store, or whose peeking around a pole, it might simply be easier to deal with than worrying about your kid being eaten by dogs.
And when it comes to this idea that we ard all just experiencing different things, it is true that this is sometimes the cade. When it is the case it's for a reason. And figuring out how things like seemingly competing technologies would be used together, or against each other might tell us much. If there really are implants being used, how does this factor play into noninvasive tech also being used? If they are being used by opossing agencies, is one agency dominant over the other and what does that mean for us?
The fact that we all have family members that aren't being tortured proves that the psychology of the enemy includes more than just being psychotic. 
 

(laBrat)   you've gotta love the plea for understanding for the poor perps who aren't really so 'psychpathic'

(as some members appear to be ;-)

david-for-toady when i asked you whether you asked thepropector for her permission to copy her conversation with me on to your ti's journal (hi heikki!), you replied that it is open chat   the propectoer has already recognized you as a troll (a quick study, she used the term "fishy" after her first encounter her - with you)   so how is using this example any different?   it's not   this is a hypocritical attempt to hide truth behind someone's skirt 

as for "the only members taking something out of context' readers are referred to carrin's sasquatch blog, where he tries to accuse her of lying and gets caught out like a naughty  child 

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