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  • deca June 16, 2014 at 8:39am

    well this is sort of my point unless you get sucked into a heated then physical confrontation .....then the effects are to trigger a psychological effect in YOU ...and also to keep you in a fight or flight state ....also they are a distraction ,misdirection .....think about in a battle situation if the enemy suddenly stood up waving and  saying "we  are over here " the chance are they were trying to misdirect you a way from were the main action was going to take place or to lure you in to a trap.....also when you "spot" these people really its your awareness picking these people as possible threats .....what I try to get across ...these are not the real threats , but a distraction .....also do you know the basis of hypnosis is eye fixation......getting a subject to stair at a swinging clock or pen etc...amzingly TI`s that "spot" perps can tell in great detial what the perp was doing , thinking what the meaning was etc...but can`t recall what they were doing and thinking during this time.

  • David ofTomorrow June 16, 2014 at 9:09am
    I agree with Deca. To give attention to the ploy of the perps is to take needed attention away from the REAL threat. If they aren't actually assaulting you physically in person, ignoring them as the trick they are will often lead to the perps discontinuing use of the ploy.
  • David ofTomorrow June 16, 2014 at 9:12am
    An excellent analogy: Don't stare at the clock, so you don't get hypnotized by the clock.
  • David ofTomorrow June 17, 2014 at 2:40am

    La Brat,  I think Decas point was that when the perps get frantic,  it's specifically because they know that you think it's because of their weakness.  This is the ' night crawler on a hook'. The perps are far more intelligent than you realize.  You and I only see what they intend us to see. 

    The idea that many TIs have about the perps being stupid is very wrong.  If they were a bunch of clutses they wouldn't be able to keep this whole thing a secret. When a TI thinks that a perp is dumb, it is likely that the perp wants you to think that way for a reason. 

  • JustMeKaren June 17, 2014 at 8:49am
    Very good discussion and good points. Thank you all for sharing and giving perspective where needed. I am glad when I can read something useful and smart, thank you. We need more of these threads :-)
  • deca June 17, 2014 at 2:42pm

    no my personal belief is that 99% of the time the physical people you spot and believe are perps & gangstalkers are not directly involved ......they are indirectly involved via effects & consequence  of woundering around in your community while being attacked with behaviour modification technology .....and one of the goals of this program is to make you appear to others as if you are suffering from a delusion/mental illness and also to drive you into confrontation/situation  that will  lead you being "legally" carted of to the nut house .

    again "gangstalking" really as far as I can tell is a victim led creation .....i.e they came up with the term based on there point of view odd experiences and then came up with a ""thesis" (explanation) how these odd phenomena occurred....

    so as a descriptive tool , on what a TI experiences and believes   its very good , but unfortunately as an explanation its severely flawed ....lack of objective and 3rd party evidence ......now that does not mean TI`s are not being victimised , discriminated ,anti social behaviour and  crimes being committed against them   ....unfortunately as a consequence of being a TI I  do believe TI`s end up being a magnet for such activity in the society most of us live in.....So yes there is one big organised gang that is anti/negative towards TI`s and that's the society & system we belong too ....



    David ofTomorrow said:

    La Brat,  I think Decas point was that when the perps get frantic,  it's specifically because they know that you think it's because of their weakness.  This is the ' night crawler on a hook'. The perps are far more intelligent than you realize.  You and I only see what they intend us to see. 

    The idea that many TIs have about the perps being stupid is very wrong.  If they were a bunch of clutses they wouldn't be able to keep this whole thing a secret. When a TI thinks that a perp is dumb, it is likely that the perp wants you to think that way for a reason. 

  • deca June 17, 2014 at 3:38pm

    right I not sure what your on about ...what objective (multiple) third party evidence?

    if you were unwittingly forced to have brain surgery ....that would not prove "gangstalking" .....it would prove somebody against your will illegally operated on you .

    if you have evidence ...then do the person for the crime that evidence proves.......anti social behaviour,breaking and entering, illegally operating on you......etc.

  • deca June 17, 2014 at 3:46pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

    False claims of stalking, "gang stalking" and delusions of persecution

    See also: False accusations

    In 1999, Pathe, Mullen and Purcell wrote that popular interest in stalking was promoting false claims.[23] In 2004, Sheridan and Blaauw said that they estimated that 11.5% of claims in a sample of 357 reported claims of stalking were false.[24]

    According to Sheridan and Blaauw, 70% of false stalking reports were made by people suffering from delusions.[24][25] Another study estimated the proportion of false reports that were due to delusions as 64%.[26]

    Multiple news reports have described how groups of Internet users have cooperated to exchange detailed conspiracy theories involving coordinated activities by large numbers of people called "gang stalking", often described as involving the use of "psychotronic weapons" and other alleged mind control techniques. These are generally reported by external observers as being examples of belief systems, as opposed to reports of objective phenomena. Some psychiatrists and psychologists say "Web sites that amplify reports of mind control and group stalking" are "an extreme community that may encourage delusional thinking" and represent "a dark side of social networking. They may reinforce the troubled thinking of the mentally ill and impede treatment."[27][28]

    In Davis (2001), he reported "very rare" [29] instances of victimization that were alleged to be true but only falsified to gain attention, secondary or the specific purposes to exploit or manipulate others called "Falsely Alleged Victimization Syndrome" or FAVS.

    so mentioning or trying to report "gangstalking" means to anybody in authority is that YOU are mentally ill and any real crime you report is probably a delusion .....

    don`t fall for this trap

  • David ofTomorrow June 17, 2014 at 4:10pm


    I agree with the vast majority of what you have said.  Your words tell of both experience and much time in thought.  This is a refreshing. 

    I would question including the mind controlled with the'gang' we face,  from my experience,  the mind controlled are unaware, to some degree or another,  what it is that they do. In effect they are innocent.  The gang of enemies, I believe,  are those who are fully aware of their choice to destroy. The rest,  can be for the most part,  forgiven. 

    I would like to think that we agree on the idea that ignoring the tactics of the enemy, wherever possible,  is the best bet. Of course this doesn't mean that we don't learn from them,  but rather we kearn tgat much of what they do is ultimately irrelevant.  Making noises, making people look atbyou...if they aren't physical with you, what does it matter? If it doesn't matter to you,  chances are it won't matter to them. It is true that much of the stalking is victim led. If tge victim refuses to lead, the perps quite often let off.

    deca said:

    no my personal belief is that 99% of the time the physical people you spot and believe are perps & gangstalkers are not directly involved ......they are indirectly involved via effects & consequence  of woundering around in your community while being attacked with behaviour modification technology .....and one of the goals of this program is to make you appear to others as if you are suffering from a delusion/mental illness and also to drive you into confrontation/situation  that will  lead you being "legally" carted of to the nut house .

    again "gangstalking" really as far as I can tell is a victim led creation .....i.e they came up with the term based on there point of view odd experiences and then came up with a ""thesis" (explanation) how these odd phenomena occurred....

    so as a descriptive tool , on what a TI experiences and believes   its very good , but unfortunately as an explanation its severely flawed ....lack of objective and 3rd party evidence ......now that does not mean TI`s are not being victimised , discriminated ,anti social behaviour and  crimes being committed against them   ....unfortunately as a consequence of being a TI I  do believe TI`s end up being a magnet for such activity in the society most of us live in.....So yes there is one big organised gang that is anti/negative towards TI`s and that's the society & system we belong too ....



    David ofTomorrow said:

    La Brat,  I think Decas point was that when the perps get frantic,  it's specifically because they know that you think it's because of their weakness.  This is the ' night crawler on a hook'. The perps are far more intelligent than you realize.  You and I only see what they intend us to see. 

    The idea that many TIs have about the perps being stupid is very wrong.  If they were a bunch of clutses they wouldn't be able to keep this whole thing a secret. When a TI thinks that a perp is dumb, it is likely that the perp wants you to think that way for a reason. 

  • David ofTomorrow June 17, 2014 at 4:12pm


    Well put


    deca said:

    right I not sure what your on about ...what objective (multiple) third party evidence?

    if you were unwittingly forced to have brain surgery ....that would not prove "gangstalking" .....it would prove somebody against your will illegally operated on you  

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