Stein and Stein, the law firm
The firms website is http://steinandstein.com/
(April 12, 2007)
Alan Stein is a lawyer representing Janine Houard, a Montreal victim of the CIA's MK Ultra experiments in the 1960s. He is seeking a class action lawsuit against the Government of Canada for victims.
http://archive.org/details/alanstein041207
More information on the firm, one of the last cases they won against the CIA for mind control experiments on 277 people, and info on the suit is at http://endingeh.weebly.com/attorney-representation.html
Alan, the head of the firm, is representing us, he knows of the case as the greg gamache brain reading suit. his contact information is at the firms webpage
We have a total of 20 people in the suit so far, each giving money to the firm,
we have a total of 25 percent of the money we need to hire them so far, a total of 25k needed
take a look at the suit info at the link above, at the firm website listed, contact alan stein of stein and stein
let me know, send me an email to mothership010@yahoo.com "greg"
Montrealer collects compensation for CIA brainwashing
Janine Huard to drop class-action suit in exchange for compensation
Last Updated: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 | 12:11 PM ET
The Canadian Press
A Montreal senior who survived Cold War-era brainwashing experiments picked up a cheque for compensation from the federal government on Tuesday.
Janine Huard, 79, accepted an offer to end her class-action lawsuit against the federal government, which jointly funded the experiments with the Central Intelligence Agency.
The terms of the settlement are confidential, but Huard says it will allow her to live out her days in peace, with some peace of mind.
"I was really so exhausted from fighting for so many years," Huard told the Canadian Press in an interview.
"I don't think it's enough after having been hurt so much, and my kids and family … but at least justice has been done a little bit."
Huard was a young mother of four suffering from post-partum depression when she checked herself into McGill's renowned Allen Memorial Institute in 1950.
On and off for the next 15 years, she was one of hundreds of patients of Dr. Ewan Cameron subjected to experimental treatments that included massive electroshock therapy, experimental pills and LSD.
The patients were induced into comas and exposed to repetitive messages for days on end to brainwash them.
Cameron pioneered a technique called psychic driving, which he believed could erase harmful memories and rebuild psyches without psychiatric defect.
The idea intrigued the CIA, which recruited him to experiment with mind control beginning in 1950.
Until 1964, Cameron conducted a range of experiments at the McGill institute, often without the knowledge or the permission of his patients.
The experiments were part of a larger CIA program called MK-ULTRA, which saw LSD administered to U.S. prison inmates and patrons of brothels without their knowledge, according to testimony before a 1977 U.S. Senate committee.
Huard said the treatment left her unable to care for her children. She suffered memory loss and migraines for many years to come and had to have her mother move in with her.
Huard was one of nine Canadians who received nearly $67,000 US each from the CIA in 1988.
But her claim for compensation from the Canadian federal government was rejected three times. Only 77 former patients who were reduced to a childlike state received $100,000 payments.
Huard was seeking Federal Court approval for a class-action lawsuit on behalf of those potentially hundreds of other patients.
Earlier this year, a Federal Court judge rejected the federal government motion to dismiss the lawsuit.
Huard said the settlement money will allow her to live out her days as she always wanted.
"I'm moving to a peaceful place to see nice scenery, near the country," she said. "I want to finish my days like that.
"I will try to forget all that because it's too painful."
The settlement ends Huard's class-action lawsuit on behalf of all patients but her lawyer, Alan Stein, says a class-action will go ahead in the future under another patient's name.
"It was a miscarriage of justice. There's no doubt about it," Stein said. "It won't be the end, believe me, because I feel the other people should be compensated as well, [people] whose claims were denied."
Stein said he's been contacted by about 30 other former patients of Cameron.
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you need a lot people to help organize this because that sounds like a full time job. Jim. I think we need to have working committees in a our own countries. I am sure there are people in the TI community who do not work and have the skills to collect all the info and organize it. I know I do not have the time to take on this, but I am willing to help.
You sound like you know what you are talking about Jim, why don't you start this in the US.
http://www.johntfloyd.com/blog/2009/01/08/standards-of-proof/
"Clear and convincing evidence: Evidence indicating that the thing to be proved is highly probable or probably certain."
EXAMPLE -
If you are claiming you're being burned by an electronic weapon:
Even if you have a burn mark on your leg, write a statement about it and photograph it, you would have to prove where it came from. And a doctor's expert witness statement would only be able to say whether or not it was a burn and if it were a burn, of what origin (thermal, electrical, chemical, etc).
You can show the court any patents, photos of weapons and bring testimonies, but in US courts, you would have to show that a particular weapon is being used on you.
You would have to catch the person in the act using the weapon or find directives or other evidence of a person choosing to or ordering it to be used upon you.
(Going out back to burn law books)
Lynn The top of each page of this thread starts with the original post It was written within Greg's original email that he mass emailed all of us. Go look at the top of the page
My instinct feels IF their was a lawyer he was not on the up and up from the get go and if that is the
case then it is in Stein and Stein's best interest to imply FRAUD especially if one of their own collagues
might of had a hand in helping the FRAUD
And just because Neil Stein types "this matter has been reported to the FBI" doesn't prove it has been
actually really reported to the FBI. If one of his collagues had a hand in his term of
" a fraudulent scheme being used to solicit funds from innocent victims illegally using our good name and reputation" then reality is Neil Stein is trying to do damage control
At any rate, we still don't really know. The 2nd response I got from Neil Stein indicates Alan Stein
has his own law practice that is indenpendent of Stein and Stein. But if you go to their website, Alan
Stein is listed on their contact page with an extension number and an email address @steinandstein.com
Their is no getting around that fact. So part of this is not adding up no matter what Neil Stein is inferring
But then again Greg Gamache's wording of
" representing us, he knows of the case as the greg gamache brain reading suit"
his referring to his case as the "brain reading suit" was what caught my attention nevermind the lawyer aspect
If their is no equipment or instruments on the market that a victim can afford, as it pertains to the BRAIN READING ASPECT, then no one really has the capabilty to use that as the basis of CONSTRUCTING AND COMPILING EVIDENCE in which to build a court case around.
We can record the frequency perhaps and if it is a frequency that is alloted to the government of the EM spectrum
well that is something to build on. But NONE OF US has easy access to equipment that resolves the actual activity taking place in our brains of what signal pathways are being evoked and also resolves what the activity represents.
So we can talk about it all we want, but our reality is "brain reading" is not something we can prove and if no can prove it then you can't build a case around it And if you can't build a case around it then you are just wasting your money But that's just my opinion..
KELP said:
Subject: RE: RE:Alan Stein ? Greg Gamache n Stein and Stein
To: "Dee Hardin" <dbootsthediva@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Alan Stein" <Alan@steinandstein.com>
Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 3:14 AM
Neil H. Stein for
Stein & Stein Inc. Lawyers, Avocats
Professional Corporation
From: Dee Hardin [dbootsthediva@yahoo.com]
Sent: May 20, 2011 11:16 PM
To: Neil Stein
Cc: Alan Stein
Subject: RE:Alan Stein ? Greg Gamache n Stein and Stein
Yes, I spoke to Alan Stein personally.. there is no file or case because Alan Stein had not received a retainer. No lawyer in his right mind would have file# assigned until they had the retainer.. I told Stein what Greg was doing..speading it all trough our community that Stein and Stein was representing us. Stein said this was untrue, but that he did speak to Greg about taking on the case in the future...but nothing would be done until a retainer was received.
I spoke to Alan Stein a little about our community and what happens to us and I also mentioned that we have infiltrators among us who like to screw with us.
Debbie
KELP said:
Powers of the court: As it is in every state, the courts do not have the power to enact laws.
That is the power of the legislative branch.
http://docs.google.com/gview?url=http://docs.justia.com/cases/feder...
"Although....the court has no power to direct the state .... to enact a law." Gamache v. Maryland, 1:2011cv00644 (USDC MD)
Investigations done by the FBI or the FCC are discretionary if they fall outside the scope of their "what we investigate" areas. Plaintiff has been informed the FBI and FCC do not investigate matters of electronic harassment .
Also, plaintiff does not allege he has been harmed by electronic weapons and therefore lacks standing in any court.The courts have kindly informed plaintiff of this.
http://docs.google.com/gview?url=http://docs.justia.com/cases/feder...
"In addition, mandamus cannot be used to compel the performance of discretionary duties of federal government officers..."
Gamache v. USA, 1:2011cv00643 (USDC MD)
"Ashley Evans" wrote:
"One suit, gets us the FBI and FCC investigating these matters from here on, with the FCC required to do frequency locating, and the FBI to do satellite imagery to locate the transmissions, and both organizations investigating victims reports as a federal crime, a phone number is established at one FBI office for victims to call into for help.
One suit, gets a new state law, with the items mentioned above done."
To direct CERTAIN others to enforce Constitutional laws that actually exist. Not to direct other to create a law.
I do believe that Greg is a real victim,
I do believe that he had been working hard to try to fight with secret mind control weapons abuses and tortures.
I do believe that he had contacted Alan Stein.
I do believe that Alan stein said something about that he would like to help. And Alan Stein might ask evidences from Greg. and he also told Greg about the fees USD2.5k for him to take such a case.
I used to heard that Alan Stein had ever win a case to against CIA MKULTRA
This was a great hope for Greg too.
But the whole thing went worse was because Alan Stein did not give any written agreement or memo, and Greg spread information about Alan would representing him, but could not give any evidence, this make so many victims could not believe and could not support. Some of them had to contact with Stein and Stein to confirm such matter.
When other members of the Stein and Stein , Neil Stein saw such information on Greg's website, he warned to take law action.
And the way Greg sending information to Victims, making a lot of them feel that it was a harassing.
I hope at least in our website, we stop to fight each other.
Greg still keep his membership in our site, but wish he stop messaging other victims. He can work better with his own blog, everyone who like to join him, they can go to read all his blog.
Others, please also stop spread information about Greg to this website. to everywhere.
Thanks for cooperating.
Dear all:
Take a look at how international human right organizations deal with torture case. Let's go back to the right path.
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/uploads/documents/doc_20726.pdf
Take a look at "Opening statement by Mr. Attorney General of Canada regarding dealing with one torture case".
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true...
You know I asked one of Greg's supporters, on this thread last week, to please lead us to a weblink that could verify Alan Stein being connected to any of the victims of the Canadian MKUltra
She disappeared from continuing this conversation after I asked her if it was possible for her to
provide a link or links to any websites that could verify that Alan Stein had ever won a case against MKUltra.
As far as I can tell, Alan Stein was not a major player in the suit(s) Perhaps he might have argued a point during an apellee process, but I cannot find where he was the actual appointed attorney of record for any of the original Canadian MKUltra victims who got compensation ($100,000 each)
Can anyone point us to any weblinks that can verify how involved Alan Stein was in one or more of the Canadian suits???? ANYBODY ??
It has not been established what expertise Alan Stein contributed as it pertains to a Canadaian winning a MKUltra suit. And how one goes about picking a lawyer has relevance to this thread Because choosing a lawyer that has no chance to help us is wasting victim's money
This statement below keeps getting repeated without us knowing whether it is fact or not. So to be using it as a reasoning of an acceptance without knowing if it is an actual fact or not just might have a tendenacy to lead others to accept something as fact if it gets repeated often enough
I used to heard that Alan Stein had ever win a case to against CIA MKULTRA
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