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"Stein and Stein, the law firm , and a class action lawsuit."

Stein and Stein, the law firm

The firms website is http://steinandstein.com/

MK Ultra & McGill University in Montreal (April 12, 2007)

Alan Stein is a lawyer representing Janine Houard, a Montreal victim of the CIA's MK Ultra experiments in the 1960s. He is seeking a class action lawsuit against the Government of Canada for victims.
http://archive.org/details/alanstein041207

 

More information on the firm, one of the last cases they won against the CIA for mind control experiments on 277 people, and info on the suit is at http://endingeh.weebly.com/attorney-representation.html


Alan, the head of the firm, is representing us, he knows of the case as the greg gamache brain reading suit. his contact information is at the firms webpage


We have a total of 20 people in the suit so far, each giving money to the firm,
we have a total of 25 percent of the money we need to hire them so far, a total of 25k needed

take a look at the suit info at the link above, at the firm website listed, contact alan stein of stein and stein

if you would like to contribute to the firm, and/or contact other victims for them to do so also,
let me know, send me an email to mothership010@yahoo.com "greg"
or go ahead and send the money to alan , and let him know to include you in the plaintiffs in the greg gamache brain reading case
 

Montrealer collects compensation for CIA brainwashing

Janine Huard to drop class-action suit in exchange for compensation

Last Updated:  Wednesday, July  4, 2007 | 12:11 PM ET

A Montreal senior who survived Cold War-era brainwashing experiments picked up a cheque for compensation from the federal government on Tuesday.

Janine Huard, 79, accepted an offer to end her class-action lawsuit against the federal government, which jointly funded the experiments with the Central Intelligence Agency.

The terms of the settlement are confidential, but Huard says it will allow her to live out her days in peace, with some peace of mind.

"I was really so exhausted from fighting for so many years," Huard told the Canadian Press in an interview.

"I don't think it's enough after having been hurt so much, and my kids and family … but at least justice has been done a little bit."

Huard was a young mother of four suffering from post-partum depression when she checked herself into McGill's renowned Allen Memorial Institute in 1950.

On and off for the next 15 years, she was one of hundreds of patients of Dr. Ewan Cameron subjected to experimental treatments that included massive electroshock therapy, experimental pills and LSD.

The patients were induced into comas and exposed to repetitive messages for days on end to brainwash them.

Cameron pioneered a technique called psychic driving, which he believed could erase harmful memories and rebuild psyches without psychiatric defect.

The idea intrigued the CIA, which recruited him to experiment with mind control beginning in 1950.

Until 1964, Cameron conducted a range of experiments at the McGill institute, often without the knowledge or the permission of his patients.

The experiments were part of a larger CIA program called MK-ULTRA, which saw LSD administered to U.S. prison inmates and patrons of brothels without their knowledge, according to testimony before a 1977 U.S. Senate committee.

Huard said the treatment left her unable to care for her children. She suffered memory loss and migraines for many years to come and had to have her mother move in with her.

Huard was one of nine Canadians who received nearly $67,000 US each from the CIA in 1988.

But her claim for compensation from the Canadian federal government was rejected three times. Only 77 former patients who were reduced to a childlike state received $100,000 payments.

Huard was seeking Federal Court approval for a class-action lawsuit on behalf of those potentially hundreds of other patients.

Earlier this year, a Federal Court judge rejected the federal government motion to dismiss the lawsuit.

Huard said the settlement money will allow her to live out her days as she always wanted.

"I'm moving to a peaceful place to see nice scenery, near the country," she said. "I want to finish my days like that.

"I will try to forget all that because it's too painful."

The settlement ends Huard's class-action lawsuit on behalf of all patients but her lawyer, Alan Stein, says a class-action will go ahead in the future under another patient's name.

"It was a miscarriage of justice. There's no doubt about it," Stein said. "It won't be the end, believe me, because I feel the other people should be compensated as well, [people] whose claims were denied."

Stein said he's been contacted by about 30 other former patients of Cameron.

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Please post all your suggestions in positive or negative.

Please give your clear reasons to support your suggestions.

From both positive and negative sides, we can find a better solution.

If this is a real lawsuit, we need to support it;

But if it is not a real lawsuit, we need to find out the reason.

 

I am suffering from mind control harassment and torture. So I could not analysis the following message from Bob is correct or wrong.

I do hope other victims can join this discussion and settle a final solution.

 

Warning to all TI's:

From Bob S, JD, Retired Attorney

 

First, a Canadian law firm cannot represent in a Canadian court US citizens who have suffered harm in the US from a US federal agency. The Canadian court does not have jurisdiction over such a case, and Canadian lawyers are not authorized to undertake such representation in a US court.

Second, if the lawyers had agreed to take such a case, they would have written to greg explaining what they would try to do and for whom. Greg would send a copy of this letter instead of his own vague email.

Third, the MKULTRA evidence can't be used to prove CIA responsibility for new forms of experiments using entirely different technology today. We have no way of accessing new evidence of responsibility by ourselves or through an attorney or a private investigator. It can only be accessed by a congressional investigation or by an appointed Independent Prosecutor. No legitimate attorney would make the false claim that a detective can get such classified evidence. If the detective could actually do this by some illegal means, he would be subject to severe criminal penalties.

Fourth, the claims of TI's are far too diversified to be lumped together in a class action law suit. Any attempt to do this would be dismissed by the court. No legitimate attorney would claim that a class action lawsuit would be an appropriate form of legal action for the TI situation.

Bob S, JD, Retired Attorney 

In a message dated 5/17/2011 6:40:15 A.

 

I just received another lawyers suggection on 24 May 2011,

Practices in US are not familiar to me. But basically location of court should follow the country of the victim. It is correct that US citizen can not go to court in Canada but must claim first all the processes in his home country. After that international courts are available based on international agreements or laws.
Basically evidences in court are here in Europe under various laws but itself court case here makes evidences and even non public materials more public for the case parties. It is universal law to have a right to know what concerns person's own matters. Others it makes quite impossible to audience parties in the court. Related to possible illegal medical-type experiments, these materials should be public for the person they concern, also because of the court case. But in practice i see it quite demanding to go and ask these materials for public view. Also I can not say about evidence's hand out practical protocols in different countries, I am sure those vary country to country too much. Class action, I am not familiar. I know somehow group's right to make a group suit. Here in Europe group suit must be based on law that qualifies the case. All cases can not be group cases.
The route to court or solution in mind control cases seems to me out of the court exercise, but of course it would be ideal to take people behind to the crimes to the court. Lets see how this kind of cases can come to public knowledge for masses.

Opening statement by MR. Attorney General of Canada Re. dealing with torture case.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true...

Statement from "Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada "RE  a public inquiry and the guideline for the  use of non lethal weapons :

“Numerous analysts studying these issues have stated that discussion is long overdue and should begin immediately, particularly with more transparency, accountability and information available to the public in several countries. The domestic and international implications of the use and misuse of several exotic weapons and nonlethal variants are serious and require a higher priority by the Canadian government and international fora.”

Message from Debbie Newhook

I just got off the phone with Alan Stein. He is only interested in taking on this case once he gets a $25,000 retainer and he does NOT want individuals contacting him NOR sending him money. What we need to do is to set up a trust fund and start to raise money and perhaps find ways to so some fund raising.
Alan Stein suggested that I organize this and set up a trust fund. Alan only wants to deal with one person and does NOT want to have contact with the individuals who would like to pursue a class action suit until he has done the investigation. The retainer will be used for the investigation only and there is no guarantee that after the investigation there will be enough proof to carry forward with a class action suit...this could take years folks and lots of money as I suspect that it may cost even more than $25,000 to do an investigation.

Stein also suggested that we need the proof of professional who can test for the presence of DEWs aimed toward us. We need someone here in Canada who is willing to do this and this person must have the expertise in this field of analysis and must be willing to testify in court. This will costs us a lot of money and this must be paid for by us as a group..So as you can see this will cost a lot more than just the $25,000 retainer.

But if you want to push forward with this, I can set up a trust fund and we can talk about ways to raise money. We will need money to hire a professional person to test for the presences of DEWs and we will need money for a retainer.

Debbie Newhook
http://osnanaimo.org/

Message from Carmen
 
Deb,
I spoke to Alan Stein 4 months ago (approx) and I sent him copies of my ct scan. I will send you via cc what I sent to him. Bottom line, he said that he could NOT help me, yet I have the most evidence. He KNOWS what is going on and yet he brushed me off.
So, if he is changing his tune, I wonder what gives? Would it be a $25,000 incentive - for a 'retainer' can easily be retained for years and nothing being done on a file.
Again, I have black and white evidence, a pile of medical reports, I am credible, etc..and yet he would not take my case. Personally, I would get more information (more of a commitment on his behalf) than this kind of agreement.
Just my input.
Carmen
"We will need money to hire a professional person to test for the presences of DEWs and we will need money for a retainer."
We are technically checking for ......"high levels of electromagnetic radiation"
Not ......DEWs
These people look ......"certified"
This could be a start
EMR Control Canada / Electro Magnetic Field Radiation Control

Serving Alberta
Ph: 403.609.0846 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting   403.609.0846 end_of_the_skype_highlighting

 

"We needs experts in the field and they must be prepared to step up and testify."
These people ......"may be experts"
Or perhaps they ......"know some experts"
****** Electromagnetic Radiation / Detection / Measurement ******
RFcom.ca / University Of Ottawa / Canada
McLaughlin Centre for Population Health Risk Assessment
Institute for Population Health
RFcom is an internet-based information resource about
......health effects of wireless technologies
......"Electromagnetic Radiation"
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3358-A McCowan Rd
Basement
Scarborough Ontario
Canada M1V 5P5
ElectroSmog / Electromagnetic Radiation Detection / Clearwater, FL
Course
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Address: P.O. Box 16313
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Phone: 1-866-960-0333 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting   1-866-960-0333 end_of_the_skype_highlighting (toll-free in US & Canada)
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Gerry Duffett
3358-A McCowan Rd
Basement
Scarborough Ontario
Canada M1V 5P5

To: Greg

As far as I know, "injury lawyers/human rights lawyers or related will not charge any fees to the victims. I  believe you know this.

 

Robin

Hey guys:

Do you think those perps will leave signs or clues waiting for your testing?

Soleilmavis said:

Message from Debbie Newhook

I just got off the phone with Alan Stein. He is only interested in taking on this case once he gets a $25,000 retainer and he does NOT want individuals contacting him NOR sending him money. What we need to do is to set up a trust fund and start to raise money and perhaps find ways to so some fund raising.
Alan Stein suggested that I organize this and set up a trust fund. Alan only wants to deal with one person and does NOT want to have contact with the individuals who would like to pursue a class action suit until he has done the investigation. The retainer will be used for the investigation only and there is no guarantee that after the investigation there will be enough proof to carry forward with a class action suit...this could take years folks and lots of money as I suspect that it may cost even more than $25,000 to do an investigation.

Stein also suggested that we need the proof of professional who can test for the presence of DEWs aimed toward us. We need someone here in Canada who is willing to do this and this person must have the expertise in this field of analysis and must be willing to testify in court. This will costs us a lot of money and this must be paid for by us as a group..So as you can see this will cost a lot more than just the $25,000 retainer.

But if you want to push forward with this, I can set up a trust fund and we can talk about ways to raise money. We will need money to hire a professional person to test for the presences of DEWs and we will need money for a retainer.

Debbie Newhook
http://osnanaimo.org/

How to deal with torture case? Class action lawsuit can not be used now. We should move on step by step.

The first step is " A public inquiry" . American friends are on the right path. They are now holding "The Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues." Also pls refer to the most famous torture case dealt with by the Government of Canada. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true...

The second step, if they refuse our request, we turn to special courts or ICC according to the legal process. Please refer to this famous murder case of  dealt with by ICC after Canada refused to investigate into it. I will post this case later.

 

I plan on filing one anyway Bob here with Tare enough similarities with the TIs complaints that I can include just those issues if it worded correctly.
i did not realize that Greg was even in Canada.  Canadian courts do not have jurisdiction over Americans....and vice versa.  The best i can do for people outside US is to send them a copy of the finished text if they would like to try in their own country.  We could file with ICC but their relationship with US is cool at best.  Those in Inida and CHina may also have issues.  I plan on filing with US TIs in US first and if shot down possibly moving to ICC.  It is not winning...it is about being a fucking pain in their ass so much that they leave us alone.

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